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Chris Graves
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I have never been in a game where someone cheated. It's been more along the lines of overlooking a rule and, many times, correcting the mistake before the turn is over. I am curious about you folks, though. Any juicy tales of cheaters caught red handed? Please dish...
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Making rules mistakes by accident, it totally happens (and to be honest, I'm the one often making these mistakes). But never someone who did something super sneaky on purpose.
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Only my wife, who is a dirty, dirty tramp.
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Does deliberately hiding tokens, or VP's that are open information count, i.e. Drakon (third edition), or King of Tokyo?

If so, yes.
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Yes.... while traveling in another country and the guest of some local gamers. Several were cheating on a party game, which seemed really odd to me. They were competitive, which is great, but were so competitive that they would cheat at a party game, which is ungreat.

Needless to say, I broke international protocol and called them out on it after they perpetrated it for the umpteenth time. They weren't pleased at having to eat a plate of fetid crow.

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I caught my wife sneaking extra cards at Cosmic Encounter and was completely shocked. She then revealed the Filch flare which said if she got caught cheating to lose one ship to the warp, return the items she was caught stealing and then move the deck and discards closer for easier access.
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Yes... stopped the game and packed it away. I will not play with someone who actively cheats. Mistakes are fine but consistent, deliberate rule breaking is abhorrent.

Usually if it happens at my game group it is called out pretty fast.

However, I did once play the cheat in Cosmic Encounter (Where the rules dictate that you can cheat, so that's okay) and it was interesting watching people try to decide whether I was cheating or not.
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asta wrote:


However, I did once play the cheat in Cosmic Encounter (Where the rules dictate that you can cheat, so that's okay) and it was interesting watching people try to decide whether I was cheating or not.


old news!
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GGJC wrote:
I caught my wife sneaking extra cards at Cosmic Encounter and was completely shocked. She then revealed the Filch flare which said if she got caught cheating to lose one ship to the warp, return the items she was caught stealing and then move the deck and discards closer for easier access.


Yep that's the one ninja'd
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It's long enough ago that I've forgotten details, but there was someone I used to play with regularly whom the rest of the gaming group caught cheating from time to time.

I regularly gamed with two married couples, and one of the husbands had a competitive streak a mile wide. When all 5 of us were playing, and he thought there was enough going on that he could get away with it, this alpha competitor would "accidentally" do things like pick up dice before he thought anyone else saw them, or bump pieces out of place on a board in order to rearrange them "the way they were". He'd feign innocence and deflect blame, and maybe do it again a turn or two later if people didn't seem too angry about it.

In relating this, I'm honestly not sure why we put up with his behavior like we did. Maybe because he was a friend and we could forgive a lot, maybe because it was hard to find gamers who could attend regularly. Maybe because he knew that we were usually just playing to blow off steam after stressful work shifts and we were more inclined to roll our eyes and sigh exasperatedly than confront him and make our social time as stressful as our work time. I'm not sure.

It's a non-issue now, as none of us have contact with him socially these days because his dishonesty wasn't limited to the gaming table. shake
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Used to play Chess at the local club years ago...there was one old man there who would cheat shamelessly...usually while instructing newer players. You'd notice halfway through the game that both his bishops were somehow on the same colour. He'd claim he wanted to see if you were paying attention.

He was renowned for it.
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Recently I caught a guy making change, as he called it at the end of a game of stockpile. Ergo, we was pulling 20s and adding them to his hand of money. I knew roughly how much he had as I'm pretty good at counting cards and he was making some pretty poor decisions through out the majority of the game. Somehow he ended up with exactly 5 more dollars than the top player and nearly twice as the other players in the game. I didn't want to call him out as he is a regular at our game nights, but I'll have to watch him more closely next time to see if this is a pattern.
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I haven't ever caught someone cheating because I'm too busy having fun. Although I have a couple that I game with who loves Ascension and they play the game by dropping their whole hands on the table and then deciding what actions that they will do once the hands have been dropped instead of the order of in which the cards are played. I can understand house rules but it is very confusing and hard to follow.
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Ahh yes, I have a story...

I was at a friend's house for a dinner party. Our group was large as far as dinner parties go in my neck of the woods at about 10 people. After dinner we all decided to retreat to the living room to play a round or two of mafia (essentially One Night Ulimate Werewolf, if you are unfamiliar with the game). Typically I play as the narrator as I've been praised for my silly stories and my resonating but soothing voice. This time however someone else offered to be narrator which gave me a chance to jump into the action. Cards were shuffled, dealt, and low and behold, I was one of two assassins/mafia/killers/etc!

Now I very rarely get this opportunity because as I said, I'm usually the narrator, but even more so, I always seem to draw the townsfolk cards. As the narrator went into his monologue, I closed my eyes, anxious to see how this game would turn out. I was excited to try my hand at lying to all my friends and my fiancé-now-wife as well.

"Mafia, wake up!" The narrator chimed.

I opened my eyes but what did I see? One of my friends, with his eyes closed, holding his phone up and scanning the group, as if he were taking a video. I held my breath and choose him as our first victim. I was still shocked at such blatant cheating.

When the Narrator finished his monologue and told us all to wake up, my eyes immediately went to my friend. I watched him as he opened his eyes and looked immediately down at his phone for 10 seconds or so, then immediately his eyes came up to meet mine with a smirk on his face. Knowing in my heart of hearts that he had recorded the monologue part as a video in order to see who the mafia was, I called him out right then in front of the whole group:

"Adam is cheating," I exclaimed. "I am one of the mafia and as I opened my eyes to kill off one of you all, I saw him video who we chose and who we are."

He immediately started his defense, but I cut him off as I told his wife to look at his phone. She took his phone and looked through the videos but didn't find anything, leading me to believe he had used Snapchat to record a quick video.

I asked that we restart with different roles and that no phones would be allowed during the sleep/monologue part.

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All in all, it went a little more light heartedly then it sounds. We've all been friends for years and don't hold grudges. But I can't believe that he tried recording video of it; Equal parts clever and stupid!
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I've got almost the opposite problem.

I've never caught anyone cheating, but I'm continually worried when I'm trying to make change / pay for things in games that I'll actually miscount and cheat in my favour. Many times, I've erred on the side of caution and end up "donating" to the bank (eg: give over 5 ones, second guess myself, recount, give another 2, think about it more, realize I gave 7, but leave it as is and just take the 5)... Only to think I look suspicious when doing it, and openly show my change every time after that to show others I'm not being shifty, which makes me look all the more guilty. All this makes me feel guilty and suspicious, even though I screwed myself out of cash / resources.

Is that normal?
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yes, and every time I look in the mirror I shake my head in total disgust...

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...because I only play games solo.
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FreezenFire wrote:
I've got almost the opposite problem.

I've never caught anyone cheating, but I'm continually worried when I'm trying to make change / pay for things in games that I'll actually miscount and cheat in my favour. Many times, I've erred on the side of caution and end up "donating" to the bank (eg: give over 5 ones, second guess myself, recount, give another 2, think about it more, realize I gave 7, but leave it as is and just take the 5)... Only to think I look suspicious when doing it, and openly show my change every time after that to show others I'm not being shifty, which makes me look all the more guilty. All this makes me feel guilty and suspicious, even though I screwed myself out of cash / resources.

Is that normal?


This is abnormal. It's basic math so don't let it scare you... take what you are owed! What game is it specifically?

EDIT: Or let someone else count it out if you feel guilty about it, but don't cheat yourself!
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I've never caught anyone cheating, but I'm continually worried when I'm trying to make change / pay for things in games that I'll actually miscount and cheat in my favour. Many times, I've erred on the side of caution and end up "donating" to the bank (eg: give over 5 ones, second guess myself, recount, give another 2, think about it more, realize I gave 7, but leave it as is and just take the 5)... Only to think I look suspicious when doing it, and openly show my change every time after that to show others I'm not being shifty, which makes me look all the more guilty. All this makes me feel guilty and suspicious, even though I screwed myself out of cash / resources.

Is that normal?


From my perspective: yes that is totally normal.
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The only time I've witnessed cheating was during a Star Realms tournament I entered once. I kept forcing my opponent to discard cards, and on their turn they consistently kept trying to draw back up to five cards - the first one was accompanied by an unconvincing "oh, I've forgotten to draw one of my cards...", but the two times that followed were meant to be much sneakier . Fortunately there were umpires/referees at each table who sorted it though, as I had only entered the tournament for a bit of fun - and stuff like that does leave a sour taste unfortunately. Still, continued in the tournament and had a great time after that!

EDIT: other than the normal, accidental "cheating" caused by rules errors and honest mistakes!
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So, my brother and I are super competitive. Whenever we get together we play History of the World, because he loves Risk, and this is the closest game I will play to it. Whenever we play, his wife usually was the third player, as my wife rarely plays games with us. Whenever we play, we go out of our way to attack each other, leaving her an easy path to victory. But despite that, I would catch her cheating pretty much every game. She would grab extra people for her empire because my brother and I were so busy focusing on each other. When her VP marker was on her side of the board, she would nudge it forward a few spaces when it was someone else's turn. When I would call her out on it, she would just laugh. In the end, she never cheated for either of us, so we tolerated it as my brother only wanted to see which one of us would beat the other one. That was the cost of using her as a third player. It usually bothered him more then me, but that is because he is the kind that has to win. Any game that I win, he insists we play again until he wins.
 
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I usually make change in an exaggerated fashion, like a magician showing he's got nothing up his sleeves, and make sure somebody is paying attention:

"Game owes me four coins, I'm turning in one coin and taking five from the bank"...
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My wife and I used to play Spades with a neighbor couple on a semi-regular basis, and the husband started cheating a hand every once in a while, despite being a good player and not needing to. We were usually paired against the wives, and while they were talking or rearranging their hands or whatnot, he would openly signal to me what suit he was strongest in (hand to his heart, touch his ring finger for diamonds) or flash his high card when going nil. I never agreed to any of this, so, yeah, awkward. Happened 4 or 5 times. They were our neighbors, so I didn't want to publicly call him out - if it went bad we still had to live next to each other. And I'm one of those people that HATES confrontation. Not in-game confrontation, the real kind.

The first time, I said nothing to no one. After that, I told my wife about it each instance at the end of the night after they left; eventually we just decided to kinda let 'cards with the neighbors' die quietly.
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My brothers don't like boardgames. This means for them that if they are forced to play then they see this as a right to cheat. They come by it honestly as I remember that my dad and mum would play Scrabble. My dad would flip over tiles in order to have "blanks", and then later when cleaning the sofa one would find discarded Scrabble tiles.

There was one time I was playing Pictionary against 2 of my brothers. They were drawing.... drawing letters to form words! Haven't played that game since.
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I caught my older brother stealing from the bank during a game of Monopoly. It was the last time he played with us. It was part of the reason Monopoly was banned among adults in my family. The kids still get to play.
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Only my wife, who is a dirty, dirty tramp.
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