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"We should have a government that lives within the bounds of the Constitution. It is not authorized to do most of what we do in Washington, and certainly we can't afford it."

-Ron Paul


I heard that last night as I was watching some of his stuff on Youtube. I found myself pumping my hand in the air and cheering him on. I mean, seriously - if when the very entity itself is defined, and limitations are explicitly put upon it, and it steps outside those limitations, the entity illegitimizes itself.

If Ron Paul ever gets into the office of President of the United States (and I hope and pray that he does), I believe he will systematically dismantle the federal cruft that's built up over the past 100 years, and return our government to operating within it's mandate.
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Speaking as a hardcore liberal, I would rather vote for Ron Paul than several of the Democrats who have declared. You see him and Giuliani during that debate?



You can almost see Guiliani licking his chops when he realizes he gets to talk about 9/11. Disgusting. My well-wishes are with Paul, at least through the primary.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Ron Paul is kind of the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.

He is the Republican most palatable to Democrats, mainly due to the fact he is against war.


Heh-heh. Now that's a crosspost.
 
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Personally, I'd given up on the Republican party. I imagine a lot of "Republicans" have, this these past 2 election terms. Maybe it's because I was younger and more naive. As it stood before Ron Paul took up a major party mantle, I wasn't going to vote for the "lesser of two evils" anymore. Look what that set us up for last time! Of course, I'm not about to vote for Cthulhu either. I'd set my sights on the Constitution Party (http://constitutionparty.org) because they most clearly represent my stance on government. I'd rather "throw away my vote" than look back and say "I voted that man into office, and look what he's doing."

But Ron Paul isn't the lesser of two evils. He's a man that hasn't been bought. They call him "Dr. No" because he alone in all of Congress will stand in opposition to a bill, simply because he knows that it's outside of their constitutional mandate and he's got no business voting for it in the first place.

For most people, hot button issues are immigration and the so-called "war" in Iraq. Yeah, he voted against that one, too - when it mattered. Sure, he stood out from the pack, from pretty much everyone, but he foresaw the path our country is on today. And why do I call it a "so-called war"? We're not at war in Iraq. We're engaged in "nation building" and the indigenous people of that country are taking pot shots at us. If we were at war there we would be laying waste, not trying to set up a government (which won't work with those people) and rebuild their infrastructure(!!).

But for me, the hot button issue is getting out country out from under the stranglehold of special interests. It's removing the socialist cruft from our constitutional republic. It's about returning freedom to America. Our gilded cages are getting smaller and smaller by the day.
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Leftist crazy Dems.........................o......................................Right wing "ends days" nut job

......................................................^I'm right there.

Come we have someone that is right there?
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Many socialists would not be in favor of most of the expenses of the American government. A good chunk of that cruft has about as much to do with socialism as with libertarianism. Socialism is not for big government for the sake of it, just to fund things that require spending, like universal healthcare, and universal access to education that doesn't have to come from a church. The largest military budget in the world by a longshot? huge tax breaks for large corporations? Building a wall between the US and Mexico? War on drugs? They want to cut them as much as libertarians do!

That said, I think that no candidate that runs by announcing that they'll cut medicare and social security will ever be able to win an election. Too many people that rely on those programs to be able to live will vote for any other option to avoid poverty.
 
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That said, I think that no candidate that runs by announcing that they'll cut medicare and social security will ever be able to win an election. Too many people that rely on those programs to be able to live will vote for any other option to avoid poverty.


Another phrase comes to mind: "The first one is free". That's right, it's always free from the drug dealer, because he knows once you try it you're more likely to come back to him. And as you do it more and more, you may become addicted, and even if you don't want to come back to him, you still *have* to.

Our welfare state is like a bunch of drug addicts.

However, having said that, I was thinking about this very thing not too long ago. Our problems with social security come from misusing the money in the past. The system is essentially bankrupt due to poor stewardship and misallocation of funds. I think we can "true up" social security. Continue appropriate payouts to people who have given money to it and are reliant on it. Give back the money we've all paid in taxes, to the cent. Cut the dirty thing off and educate people to invest wisely. Do you think you can make a better return than you'll have coming to you in Social Security? A monkey could on a roulette wheel.

This wouldn't be so hard; it's a compromise you'll have to make (one of many) if you want this to work.
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adam.skinner wrote:
Do you think you can make a better return than you'll have coming to you in Social Security? A monkey could on a roulette wheel.


Sorry, but I have to buzz you on that one. That's utterly ridiculous.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Ron Paul is kind of the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.


I always thought Joe Lieberman was the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.
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Legomancer wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Ron Paul is kind of the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.


I always thought Joe Lieberman was the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.



LOL! Point for Dave!

 
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The Real Left...............................Leftist crazy Dems........(MikeC)........R. wing "E.D." nut job
.........................^I'm right there.
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Koldfoot wrote:
Ron Paul is kind of the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.

He is the Republican most palatable to Democrats, mainly due to the fact he is against war.

Ron Paul is the only genuine Republican currently running for president. He stands for the ideals that the Republican party was founded on. And he is also a genuine conservative.

Since when was the Republican Party pro-war? And since when are conservatives pro-war?
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The Real Left......................................Leftist crazy Dems............(MikeC).............Right wing "ends days" nut job
.........................^I'm right there.

The problem here is that everyone keeps using a damned one-axis graph.




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The problem is that most federal politicians nowadays are high up on that graph.
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Royalflush wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Ron Paul is kind of the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party.

He is the Republican most palatable to Democrats, mainly due to the fact he is against war.

Ron Paul is the only genuine Republican currently running for president. He stands for the ideals that the Republican party was founded on. And he is also a genuine conservative.

Since when was the Republican Party pro-war? And since when are conservatives pro-war?


Since the republican party started to cater to the religious right? If you think the world is only going to last 20 years at most, because the Rapture is coming, it's easy to be pro war.

It's funny. Religion made the party win elections, but it also made it lose it soul.
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Lest we forget, Ron Paul has only been a Republican since 1997. Before that he was a long time Libertarian, and he brings that viewpoint to the Right. He likes to say he doesn't take money from PACs, but he does (admittedly much less than most any other Congressman, but still he got PAC money in each of the last 3 election cycles.)

He has some looney ideas, like allowing Federally sanctioned bounty hunters to hunt down individuals like Bin Laden or selling corporate naming rights to National Parks. He is also wants to stop the practice of granting any child born in the US citizenship. Oh, and he wants to give airline pilots guns.

He's definitely not the candidate for me, but I'm pretty much a hard core Liberal.
 
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Ron Paul is a deluded political quack. I can't think of a more entertaining person for president since Ross Perot.
 
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Lest we forget, Ron Paul has only been a Republican since 1997. Before that he was a long time Libertarian, and he brings that viewpoint to the Right.

Please make at least some attempt to check your facts before you just start talking.

Ron Paul has been a Republican his entire life. Yes, he ran for President as a Libertarian in 1988. He had no previous affiliation with the Libertarian Party. In fact, he had previous served in the US Congress as a Republican for the 22nd District in Texas.

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He likes to say he doesn't take money from PACs, but he does (admittedly much less than most any other Congressman, but still he got PAC money in each of the last 3 election cycles.)

Really? Find me a quote where he says he receives no money from PACs. Otherwise don't put lies in his mouth.

In money from lobbyists he receives $1,896 per cycle. There are only 12 representatives who receive less.

He receives 70.3% of his contributions from small donors, outdone by only 3 other representatives and only 2 senators.

Only 6 representatives receive less contributions from PACs than he does, with his being $38,615 per cycle.

And that's in regards to his terms in congress.

In regards to his presidential run, he has received $1,500 from PACs, as opposed to $638,489 in individual contributions.

http://www.cleanupwashington.org/sii/pdfs/factsheet.pdf
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-least...


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He has some looney ideas, like allowing Federally sanctioned bounty hunters to hunt down individuals like Bin Laden

Our way of captruing Bin Laden is working soooo well...

"Paul's bill would allow Congress to authorize the President to specifically target Bin Laden and his associates using non-government armed forces. Since it is nearly impossible for U.S. intelligence teams to get close to Bin Laden, the marque and reprisal approach creates an incentive for people in Afghanistan or elsewhere to turn him over to the U.S."

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or selling corporate naming rights to National Parks.

As for this, I can't find anything showing Ron Paul supports this. Link?

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He is also wants to stop the practice of granting any child born in the US citizenship.

Personally, I think that one makes sense. As he says, it's a major incentive for illegal immigration as it stands.

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Oh, and he wants to give airline pilots guns.

And the problem here is?

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He's definitely not the candidate for me, but I'm pretty much a hard core Liberal.

Off-topic:

And how do you use the term liberal? Do you use it as "an open-minded person who tends to favor progressivism" or do you use it as being synonymous with progressive? Just curious.
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If Ron Paul gets elected president you would see the opposite of what we see today: congress with all the power, the president effectively ignored.
 
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shumyum wrote:
If Ron Paul gets elected president you would see the opposite of what we see today: congress with all the power, the president effectively ignored.

No. The legislature has a lot of power, yes, and was intended to. But so do the Executive and Judicial branches. The US was created to have checks and balances and to have 3 branches that would be equally important.
 
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That said, I think that no candidate that runs by announcing that they'll cut medicare and social security will ever be able to win an election. Too many people that rely on those programs to be able to live will vote for any other option to avoid poverty.

In response to your comments about medicare and social security, I transcribed this from a speech Ron Paul gave in Texas on May 19th, 2007.

Video here on YouTube (2:55 through the end) - http://youtube.com/watch?v=V0y-ryaLrNo

"What I'd like to be is a President who doesn't even have a goal of running your life, the economy, or running the world.

I want to use all my strength, and my conviction, and my effort, to restrain anybody who uses force illegally, that people not be allowed to run other people's lives. And that will take a lot of doing, because a lot of people have become dependent on the government.

Another issue that I deal with, and now this is in the real world politics, because we might in a group like this agree we don't need the welfare, we don't need this, leave us alone, and it would all be better, and quite frankly I think it would be.

But we live in the real world where we have taught generations after generations to be totally dependent on the government. So realistically you can't just shut off every government health program and whatever for the elderly. But there is a very practical answer for this. Overseas now to run the American Empire, if you add up the DOD budget, if you add up the Secretary of State Department budget, if you add up what it would cost the military to take care of the veterans and on and on. It's nearing 1 trillion dollars a year to operate overseas while ignoring our borders.

So why not, we do this, if it's at 1 trillion dollars, let's say that we could have a true national defense for say... spend 300 [billion] on defense, save 700 [billion], put a lot of that to the deficit, bring it home, deal with our borders, and make sure the people that are very dependent take care of them until we can wean them off."
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Royalflush wrote:

No. The legislature has a lot of power, yes, and was intended to. But so do the Executive and Judicial branches. The US was created to have checks and balances and to have 3 branches that would be equally important.


And I'm the magical man from happy land, with a gumdrop house on lollipop lane!
 
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No, I have never said that before. You may have inferred from comments in some other thread that those were my beliefs, and you would have been correct. I think if you check the definition of "delusion" and then read the man's own words, as available all over this lovely internet of ours, then my assertion will require very little substantiation.

The phrase "political quack" may be original, I don't know. The term quack is generally applied to physicians (or pretend physicians) who prescribe bogus remedies to real problems. I think it's pretty clear that Ron Paul is an actual physician, and while delivering babies can hardly be called a quack activity, many, if not most, of the political remedies that he prescribes for this country are bogus. They sound great, and appeal deeply, but have almost zero practical application. Like 700 miles of fencing that isn't heavily electrified and supported by armed robot turrets. That shoot lightning.

Or if you prefer, you may regard my comments as a form of "equal time" balancing--for every person who shows up in these forums promoting a particular political candidate, somebody should show up to rain on their parade.

 
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No, I have never said that before. You may have inferred from comments in some other thread that those were my beliefs, and you would have been correct. I think if you check the definition of "delusion" and then read the man's own words, as available all over this lovely internet of ours, then my assertion will require very little substantiation.

The phrase "political quack" may be original, I don't know. The term quack is generally applied to physicians (or pretend physicians) who prescribe bogus remedies to real problems. I think it's pretty clear that Ron Paul is an actual physician, and while delivering babies can hardly be called a quack activity, many, if not most, of the political remedies that he prescribes for this country are bogus. They sound great, and appeal deeply, but have almost zero practical application. Like 700 miles of fencing that isn't heavily electrified and supported by armed robot turrets. That shoot lightning.

Or if you prefer, you may regard my comments as a form of "equal time" balancing--for every person who shows up in these forums promoting a particular political candidate, somebody should show up to rain on their parade.


So... to sum up:

You're talking out of your ass and can't actually argue against his political stances (maybe you don't even know what they are?), so instead you'll just try to make an emotional argument with a bunch of name calling and no facts or logic to back you up.

You disgust me.
 
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Leftist crazy Dems.........................o......................................Right wing "ends days" nut job

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Come we have someone that is right there?


Have fun voting for Michael Bloomberg!
 
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