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Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

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The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.

The Trump transition team dismissed the findings in a short statement issued Friday evening. “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again,’ ” the statement read.

Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community’s findings about Russian hacking.

“I don’t believe they interfered” in the election, he told Time magazine this week. The hacking, he said, “could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was Russia’s goal, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
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The CIA presentation to senators about Russia’s intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies. A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency’s assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.

For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were “one step” removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has said in a television interview that the “Russian government is not the source.”

The White House and CIA officials declined to comment.

On Friday, the White House said President Obama had ordered a “full review” of Russian hacking during the election campaign, as pressure from Congress has grown for greater public understanding of exactly what Moscow did to influence the electoral process.

“We may have crossed into a new threshold, and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what has happened and to impart some lessons learned,” Obama’s counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

Obama wants the report before he leaves office Jan. 20, Monaco said. The review will be led by James Clapper, the outgoing director of national intelligence, officials said.

During her remarks, Monaco didn’t address the latest CIA assessment, which hasn’t been previously disclosed.

Seven Democratic senators last week asked Obama to declassify details about the intrusions and why officials believe that the Kremlin was behind the operation. Officials said Friday that the senators specifically were asking the White House to release portions of the CIA’s presentation.

This week, top Democratic lawmakers in the House also sent a letter to Obama, asking for briefings on Russian interference in the election.

U.S. intelligence agencies have been cautious for months in characterizing Russia’s motivations, reflecting the United States’ long-standing struggle to collect reliable intelligence on President Vladi­mir Putin and those closest to him.

In previous assessments, the CIA and other intelligence agencies told the White House and congressional leaders that they believed Moscow’s aim was to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system. The assessments stopped short of saying the goal was to help elect Trump.

On Oct. 7, the intelligence community officially accused Moscow of seeking to interfere in the election through the hacking of “political organizations.” Though the statement never specified which party, it was clear that officials were referring to cyber-intrusions into the computers of the DNC and other Democratic groups and individuals.

Some key Republican lawmakers have continued to question the quality of evidence supporting Russian involvement.

“I’ll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there’s clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”

Though Russia has long conducted cyberspying on U.S. agencies, companies and organizations, this presidential campaign marks the first time Moscow has attempted through cyber-means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election, the officials said.

The reluctance of the Obama White House to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions before Election Day upset Democrats on the Hill as well as members of the Clinton campaign.

Within the administration, top officials from different agencies sparred over whether and how to respond. White House officials were concerned that covert retaliatory measures might risk an escalation in which Russia, with sophisticated cyber-capabilities, might have less to lose than the United States, with its vast and vulnerable digital infrastructure.

The White House’s reluctance to take that risk left Washington weighing more-limited measures, including the “naming and shaming” approach of publicly blaming Moscow.

By mid-September, White House officials had decided it was time to take that step, but they worried that doing so unilaterally and without bipartisan congressional backing just weeks before the election would make Obama vulnerable to charges that he was using intelligence for political purposes.

Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 — a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the chairmen and ranking members of both chambers’ committees on intelligence and homeland security.

Obama dispatched Monaco, FBI Director James B. Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a “show of solidarity and bipartisan unity” against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.

Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.

Though U.S. intelligence agencies were skeptical that hackers would be able to manipulate the election results in a systematic way, the White House feared that Russia would attempt to do so, sowing doubt about the fundamental mechanisms of democracy and potentially forcing a more dangerous confrontation between Washington and Moscow.

In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as “the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process.”

The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.

According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow’s hands.

McConnell’s office did not respond to a request for comment. After the election, Trump chose McConnell’s wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.

Some Clinton supporters saw the White House’s reluctance to act without bipartisan support as further evidence of an excessive caution in facing adversaries.

“The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who was at the September meeting. “The administration has all the tools it needs to respond. They have the ability to impose sanctions. They have the ability to take clandestine means. The administration has decided not to utilize them in a way that would deter the Russians, and I think that’s a problem.”
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I don't think Russia was specifically targeting getting Trump elected, more likely Putin's goal was to make our system of government look stupid. A country that relies on the voters to pick politicians can only be as good as the quality of the voters, and due to inefficiencies will generally be worse.
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I don't think Russia was specifically targeting getting Trump elected, more likely Putin's goal was to make our system of government look stupid.


That is what was initially thought, but now according to these reports the CIA believes the efforts went beyond just ratfucking the US to actually trying to get Trump elected.
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Yes, right, a "Secret CIA assessment".
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News flash, every country in the world has their pick, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, China, Germany...
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ironcates wrote:
News flash, every country in the world has their pick, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, China, Germany...


However, the key difference is that they all picked the "correct" candidate.
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Well, I think that the "secret" FBI reports that it was "Russian hackers", not Wikileaks, responsible for the leaks of embarrassing DNC and Clinton private server e-mails should have been a clue that they would do just that.
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Yeah, what does the CIA know, anyway? Bunch of liberals. Wait, what?
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The CIA is just another fake news agency.
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Wow. I mean wow.
Conservatives are so concerned with winning that they don't even care about the possibility that Putin interfered with the election to pick their guy.
How do you even have a free nation if Russia gets to pick your leader?
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aiabx wrote:

How do you even have a free nation IF Russia gets to pick your leader?

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Yes. How could a free nation let Russia pick their leader?

A free nation need accurate information.
You haven't had that.
You are not free.
 
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Pinook wrote:
aiabx wrote:

How do you even have a free nation IF Russia gets to pick your leader?

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Yes. How could a free nation let Russia pick their leader?

A free nation need accurate information.
You haven't had that.
You are not free.

This may become to be seen as Obama's greatest failure.
It is said to have happened on his watch.
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Congratulations, 'Murica! You elected a puppet directly controlled by Mother Russia! Strings, strings everywhere!
 
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What's not apparent from the article is that the CIA concluded that Russia hacked the RNC's servers too, they just didn't release the information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-h...


I guess you could argue that they didn't find anything worth releasing...

The CIA argues that it was because they were specifically trying to get Trump Elected.

What should be the ramifications of these findings?
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sfox wrote:
I don't think Russia was specifically targeting getting Trump elected, more likely Putin's goal was to make our system of government look stupid. A country that relies on the voters to pick politicians can only be as good as the quality of the voters, and due to inefficiencies will generally be worse.


I can't think of a better way to make our system of government look stupid than to have someone like Trump at the head of it.
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Article says that Obama tried for bipartisan suport for addressing Russian manipulation and McConnell and another Repub refused. Obama folded. McConnell's wife now member of Trump team.
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Poll: Russia getting Trump to be President is an effective way to make the USA look stupid?
If the Russian's manipulated events to make Trump President of the USA, do you see that as having been an effective way of making the USA look stupid?
It would be an effective way to make the USA look stupid
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What's not apparent from the article is that the CIA concluded that Russia hacked the RNC's servers too, they just didn't release the information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-h...


I guess you could argue that they didn't find anything worth releasing...

The CIA argues that it was because they were specifically trying to get Trump Elected.

What should be the ramifications of these findings?


We really can't rule out the possibility that it was used as blackmail. And could continue to be used as blackmail.
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News flash, every country in the world has their pick, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, China, Germany...

I'd expect every patriotic American to be asking, "Did the Russians have a significant effect?".
If they have shat on your democratic processes and you swallow it down glibbly then you have no reasonable expectation for liberty.

Reducing this scenario to, "Every country has their pick" categorises you as thoughless, ignorant or traitorous.

Please reconsider your approach.
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Wow. I mean wow.
Conservatives are so concerned with winning that they don't even care about the possibility that Putin interfered with the election to pick their guy.
How do you even have a free nation of Russia gets to pick your leader?


Wow. I mean wow.
Libtards are so sore about losing that they need to make up fictional reports without any evidence to put the blame on the latest boogeyman. Anything to avoid looking in the mirror and seeing the real cause I guess. shake
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What's not apparent from the article is that the CIA concluded that Russia hacked the RNC's servers too, they just didn't release the information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-h...


I guess you could argue that they didn't find anything worth releasing...

The CIA argues that it was because they were specifically trying to get Trump Elected.

What should be the ramifications of these findings?


No, actually it's the New York Times that is arguing that. The CIA hasn't argued anything.
 
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aiabx wrote:
Wow. I mean wow.
Conservatives are so concerned with winning that they don't even care about the possibility that Putin interfered with the election to pick their guy.
How do you even have a free nation of Russia gets to pick your leader?


Don't call Trump supporters conservatives. Real conservatives would never turn a blind eye to Russian interference in an American election. Real conservatives would insist on running this story down rather than attacking their own intelligence agencies.
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aiabx wrote:
Wow. I mean wow.
Conservatives are so concerned with winning that they don't even care about the possibility that Putin interfered with the election to pick their guy.
How do you even have a free nation of Russia gets to pick your leader?


Don't call Trump supporters conservatives. Real conservatives would never turn a blind eye to Russian interference in an American election. Real conservatives would insist on running this story down rather than attacking their own intelligence agencies.


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