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I read the rules, I looked Video - How To Play To Watch It Played, Scythe - Automa (Solo) playthrough, Scythe "Live Play Thru" (Stonemaier Games) GreyElephant Gaming, a few video reviews, and reviews on this forum and thread Faction Discussion on this forum ... and I really like this game, but I would make sure:

Is this game can be good as my first euro game (previously I played mainly in the deck building - Legendary series - and LOTR LCG)?
And how with replayability in solo and for more players?
 
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I would say that this would make a great first Euro. It looks a bit overwhelming at first, but is easy to learn and teach. I taught my 17-year old daughter last night, and we played a "sample" game up until one of us took the factory hex...then did a mid-game scoring and started over. This allowed her to see how the game works.

It only took her about 15 minutes to learn the rules/actions, and how her faction worked.

I have only played one solitaire game so far, and it seemed to work ok. I was not as enthralled with the solo automa, but it works for learning how each faction works.

As far as multiplayer goes, however, it is one of the family favorites at the moment. My daughter actually noted that the game surpassed her previous favorite Alchemists, which is a big deal.

As far as replay value, for a sheer solo experience, I think this is a hefty investment for the solo play return. However, where it shines is multiplayer, as it is virtually endless as far as replay value (especially if you add the two faction expansion). If you plan on playing both solo and multiplayer, I can recommend without reservation that you pick it up right away.
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BirdfluNuggetz wrote:
I would say that this would make a great first Euro. It looks a bit overwhelming at first, but is easy to learn and teach. I taught my 17-year old daughter last night, and we played a "sample" game up until one of us took the factory hex...then did a mid-game scoring and started over. This allowed her to see how the game works.

It only took her about 15 minutes to learn the rules/actions, and how her faction worked.

I have only played one solitaire game so far, and it seemed to work ok. I was not as enthralled with the solo automa, but it works for learning how each faction works.

As far as multiplayer goes, however, it is one of the family favorites at the moment. My daughter actually noted that the game surpassed her previous favorite Alchemists, which is a big deal.

As far as replay value, for a sheer solo experience, I think this is a hefty investment for the solo play return. However, where it shines is multiplayer, as it is virtually endless as far as replay value (especially if you add the two faction expansion). If you plan on playing both solo and multiplayer, I can recommend without reservation that you pick it up right away.


Thanks, I wanted to make sure, because this game looks insanely good (Jakub Różalski created true masterpieces of art, and mechanically also promises to be a really great and interesting game. So I wished that much to have this game, that I even agreed to a fairly hard "pact" - I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year (So I wanted to make sure that I did not make a mistake by agreeing to this arrangement).
 
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13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.
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13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer
 
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13thcaesar wrote:
JJWonderboy wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.
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corkysru wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
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13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.


I realize that, I made a thorough understanding certainly concerned about the game, the rules and the gameplay.
 
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13thcaesar wrote:
corkysru wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
JJWonderboy wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.


I realize that, I made a thorough understanding certainly concerned about the game, the rules and the gameplay.

Just making sure!!
 
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13thcaesar wrote:
corkysru wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
JJWonderboy wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.


I realize that, I made a thorough understanding certainly concerned about the game, the rules and the gameplay.

You made the right choice! Scythe is my #1 game and is a great first euro. My first euro was another Jamey Stegmaier design, Viticulture Essential Edition. Like that game, you're choices are thematic, intertwined and straightforward. You'll love it!
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That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.
 
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Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.

I love scythe but the best game of 2016 i think is terraforming mars.
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corkysru wrote:
Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.

I love scythe but the best game of 2016 i think is terraforming mars.

Nah, not even close. Terraforming Mars is a 'Draw card, see what your options are, you can't plan'-game. Not very good.
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Terraforming Mars is a 'Draw card, see what your options are, you can't plan'-game.


No.
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All good, except for the "no buying board games for a year pact." shake harsh.

You may need to avail yourself and find a good "rules lawyer" (many are available at boardgamegeek.com).

Several thoughts:

Would you be able to "donate" to someone, who then just happens to "gift" you a game.

Or how about time travel games (but,honey, this game came from 2020).

If you're are very very good, *she* can buy you a game or two.

Or she likes Scythe so much she cancels the pact due to your great judgement.
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Webbe wrote:
corkysru wrote:
Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.

I love scythe but the best game of 2016 i think is terraforming mars.

Nah, not even close. Terraforming Mars is a 'Draw card, see what your options are, you can't plan'-game. Not very good.

#1. Draft. The basic game is sort of junk. Also play with corporations.
#2. You draw 4 cards to pick from. Plus you start with up to 10. You make it sounds like it's Carcassonne.
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Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.


Any game, even the theoretical best game ever printed, will only be the best game of that year, or even month to some people. Assuming it will be a best game for you, without some serious research to assure yourself of this is naive.
 
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corkysru wrote:
Webbe wrote:
corkysru wrote:
Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.

I love scythe but the best game of 2016 i think is terraforming mars.

Nah, not even close. Terraforming Mars is a 'Draw card, see what your options are, you can't plan'-game. Not very good.

#1. Draft. The basic game is sort of junk. Also play with corporations.
#2. You draw 4 cards to pick from. Plus you start with up to 10. You make it sounds like it's Carcassonne.

Are you all for real? Are you seriously arguing about Terraforming Mars in someone else's thread about Scythe?
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MAJBrown22 wrote:
corkysru wrote:
Webbe wrote:
corkysru wrote:
Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game.

I absolutely love the theme, art and the components, but the gameplay is not really what I expected. It's a good game, but I had too high expectations. Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.

I love scythe but the best game of 2016 i think is terraforming mars.

Nah, not even close. Terraforming Mars is a 'Draw card, see what your options are, you can't plan'-game. Not very good.

#1. Draft. The basic game is sort of junk. Also play with corporations.
#2. You draw 4 cards to pick from. Plus you start with up to 10. You make it sounds like it's Carcassonne.

Are you all for real? Are you seriously arguing about Terraforming Mars in someone else's thread about Scythe?

Well, there was a reason why I never responded.
What I really wonder now is if "user" MAJBrown22 is for real?
 
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I don't think any game is worth a "no more game purchases all year" pact. Of course there are budgetary restrictions but if something is your hobby it isn't unreasonable to put a certain amount of money per month into it (on average). If possible, maybe there is a gaming cafe around you that has a copy you could play. Or (as I'm trying to do for Kingdom Death) maybe find a couple people who also want to play it and will kick in some money towards it.

As for the game itself, I like the solo play a lot. The automa deck succeeds at pressuring you to make plays. I also prefer games with solo play because my wife is blind and games with solo play seem to be easiest to make accessible.

Scythe is also at the top of my "let's play this" list if people want to play a game. But, because of gaming preferences we usually end up playing Coup or Dominion. For that reason, I think Scythe is a GREAT game to have in your collection, but depending on your lifestyle and the people you know other games might see much more time on the table.
 
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Scythe is a fairly simple game wrapped up to look more complex than it is. It is fairly limiting and has built in hand holding mechanics. It makes a great new user Euro.
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corkysru wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
JJWonderboy wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.


I would emphasize that even direct aggression is too strong of a word, it allows you to send opponents home. Plus the game prevents you from attacking anyone early in the game.
 
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Archange227 wrote:
That's definetly not my best euro game... Seeing a lot of poeple saying it's the "2016 best game" made me expect to much.


Well, Scythe is currently sitting at #6 in the overall rankings and the only game ahead of it from 2016 is Star Wars Rebellion (at #5). So technically I think you can call Scythe the best euro of 2016
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Grumsh wrote:
corkysru wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
JJWonderboy wrote:
13thcaesar wrote:
...I promised my wife, that if I get Scythe for the Christmas... I don't buy any other board game throughout the next year.


Ummm.... It's not that good. If you're looking for a Solo experience there's far better.


To finding 2-5 players I have no problem, so it will more often playable in multiplayer

Just don't get your hopes up for the claimed 4x part of the game. It's not there it. This is a very thematic Euro with some direct aggression.


I would emphasize that even direct aggression is too strong of a word, it allows you to send opponents home. Plus the game prevents you from attacking anyone early in the game.


Yes but I would say the aggression ALSO arises from the fact that, in addition to sending your opponents' units home (no unit/player elimination, so this 4x doesn't have "eXtermination"), the victorious player is nabbing his/her opponent's ressources... that hurts! angry

So I think Scythe has a strong euro feel to it (action selection, resource management, engine building etc.) but mixed in with non-euro-style (some would say "amerithrash") mechanisms: moving units on a map to claim territory/resources, confrontation, etc.

Although actual direct combat/confrontation may only be 15-20% of the game, I would say the game is roughly 50/50 resource management/confrontation in the form of "I've moved into your space and stolen your precious, hard-earned resources". The only proprietary resources in the game that can't be stolen are money, power and popularity. I guess territory grabbing itself from one's opponents also counts as a form of confrontation, as territory is a principal source of VPs in endgame scoring.

But all this is refreshing: no doubt about it, Scythe is a solid game.
 
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I got Scythe for Christmas, for now I played three games with my seven-year old son and I have to admit that the game is really easy to learn, when even seven-year old boy immediately caught a rule, he even won the first game. The game is great and certainly worth buying.
 
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Scythe is a fairly simple game wrapped up to look more complex than it is. It is fairly limiting and has built in hand holding mechanics. It makes a great new user Euro.


This summarizes my solo test play experience.

It's a bit lighter than games I normally I play but has the following benefits:
The game will move very fast.
I can introduce this to new gamers.
 
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