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Michael Gonzalez
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I just bought this game (still in the shrink wrap). I'm really looking forward to it, no matter how long each game takes (BGG says "45 minutes", and I'm totally good with that). However, I was looking back at some old Rahdo videos, and RftG made his Top Ten Fillers! Rahdo made it clear that, by "filler", he meant games which could be pulled from the shelf, set up, played, put away, and put back on the shelf within 30 minutes!

Those of you who've played it a lot, what can you tell me about playtime? Is it really playable in 20 minutes (+10 minutes for set-up and take-down)?? That would be really awesome, since I need some variety in my lunchtime games.

Again, I'm totally good with it lasting 45 minutes or even an hour; but it would be really great if it were a sub-30-minute game.

Let me know!
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We play with two, and definitely finish in 30 or less, more often than not.
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The more I play this, the less I feel compelled to keep it due to my aversion of fillers.
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Mentat1231 wrote:
(+10 minutes for set-up and take-down)??


Really ? One zipbag for each kind of component, each player around the table grab a bag and empty/give out to players and it's really quick.

And then, if each player plays without waiting others to say a phase is complete (or each one saying "I have finished my [phase]") the game goes quick and smooth.
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30 total is definitely possible. Plano box for the dice helps speed up setup - then it only takes like 2 minutes. Take the tiles out of the bag and forming 2-4 stacks (with a starting tile on top as a cover). Players then choose a stack to draw during Scout, and put their discards on the bottom. Speeds up a lot the only slow part of the game (waiting for the bag to be passed). The expansion also speeds the game up.
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Mentat1231 wrote:
Is it really playable in 20 minutes (+10 minutes for set-up and take-down)??


Set up/take down is under 5 minutes total. There's not much to do - dump the dice, tile bag, and VP tokens in the middle of the table, everyone grab starting dice and tiles, deal everyone a faction card, deal everyone a homeworld, give everyone a shield, a playmat, and an assign strip. Take down is shove stuff in three bags, then drop everything in box.

Play time I find is around 30 minutes with players who don't AP, maybe half again that with someone AP prone. This is based on typically 4-5 player games, so I don't know if 2 player would be quicker. We're also playing evenings, so we aren't trying to be fast.

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As others have said, total playtime is around 30 minutes; it's maybe worth pointing out that thanks to simultaneous actions and virtually no downtime, player count doesn't affect playtime all that much.
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In my group, 45 minutes is more realistic, sometimes 1 hour. That's for 3-4 players. Explore slows the game quite a bit. It's definitely longer than race.
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I'll have to look up records when I get a chance, but IIRC, my playtimes were around 45 minutes average for both experienced players and newbies.

It helps to have a visual system (you'll have to devise one yourself) where when players are ready to move on within a phase (e.g. done exploring, developing, etc.) so that you'll know to wait for those still decision making, but can go on when everyone's done, and you're not waiting around needlessly for nothing.

Hmm, maybe some sort of 2 sided stand or something?
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You can just agree to hurry up and limit your decision making to a minute och half a minute or whatever it takes. This is a good brain exercise also I think.
 
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galehar wrote:
In my group, 45 minutes is more realistic, sometimes 1 hour. That's for 3-4 players. Explore slows the game quite a bit. It's definitely longer than race.


I find this to be the case also, but in my group since it plays so fast we'll often squeeze in an extra game outside the scheduled games for that evening.

With the Broken Token insert we can get this game on and off the table in about 2 minutes.
 
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From recollection Rhado generally plays two player, so 30 minutes sounds fine. With more people it will take longer and some people are slower than others.
 
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Karlsen wrote:
From recollection Rhado generally plays two player, so 30 minutes sounds fine. With more people it will take longer and some people are slower than others.


Yeah, totally. For us, we can get a 2p game done (including setup & teardown) in 20 minutes. But that's because we've played it a lot, and we trust each other to do stuff simultaneously, and we can just hit a groove so well
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rahdo wrote:
Karlsen wrote:
From recollection Rhado generally plays two player, so 30 minutes sounds fine. With more people it will take longer and some people are slower than others.


Yeah, totally. For us, we can get a 2p game done (including setup & teardown) in 20 minutes. But that's because we've played it a lot, and we trust each other to do stuff simultaneously, and we can just hit a groove so well


Played our first game, and loved it. It took a long time, but I'm sure we'll find our groove over the next few plays
 
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Mentat1231 wrote:
rahdo wrote:
Karlsen wrote:
From recollection Rhado generally plays two player, so 30 minutes sounds fine. With more people it will take longer and some people are slower than others.


Yeah, totally. For us, we can get a 2p game done (including setup & teardown) in 20 minutes. But that's because we've played it a lot, and we trust each other to do stuff simultaneously, and we can just hit a groove so well


Played our first game, and loved it. It took a long time, but I'm sure we'll find our groove over the next few plays


The expansion offers even more though at a cost of adding a little time I am sure.

Glad you liked it...personally think its the best 30-45min game out there and is >> Race.
 
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