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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-counter...

Obama Quietly Signs The "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act" Into Law
 
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Is relating this effort to counter foreign propaganda to 1984 reductio ad absurdum?

To say that another way -- if we want to say that foreign hacking influenced an election by spreading misinformation, isn't counter-propaganda a good idea?

And if we understand that "foreign propaganda" also includes information that is not incorrect, do we want to allow extranational powers to influence our elections without incident?

As a more important aside: as a goofy superpower, why aren't we influencing theirs more effectively?
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Re: Obama establishes "ministry of truthiful"
whistle "...singing into law..."? "ZERO-Spell Check" even!
 
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If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.
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Trump Establishes Ministry of Outright Lies


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If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.

> Excerpts from the December 1, 2016 Huffington Post news story by Max Greenwood entitled:

Trump Surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes Claims That Trump’s Lies Aren’t Lies Because "There’s No Such Thing As Facts Anymore"
Fact Check: There are, actually, such things as facts.






Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes claimed Thursday that objective facts no longer exist.

President-elect Donald Trump likes to put forward lies and outlandish conspiracy theories as though they were statements of fact.

One of his most loyal surrogates offered a puzzling defense of this on Thursday, arguing that even Trump’s most pernicious statements aren’t really lies, because facts themselves no longer exist.

Appearing on NPR's "Diane Rehm Show", Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes, said:

Scottie Nell Hughes wrote:


One thing that’s been interesting this entire campaign season to watch is that people that say facts are facts. They’re not really facts. It’s kind of like looking at ratings or looking at a glass of half-full water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth or not true. There’s no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts.


Hughes, a political commentator, former talk radio producer, and former news director of the Tea Party News Network, was responding to criticism of Trump’s recent claim that millions of people voted illegally in November’s presidential election. Trump provided no evidence to support this assertion, and there’s no sign that any such evidence actually exists.

Hughes also denounced journalists for critically reporting on Trump’s lies, saying that the president-elect likes social media because it allows him to “accurately” communicate with voters.

Her comments left the show’s other guests ― a group of journalists ― stunned.

“First, I got to pick my jaw up off the floor here,” Politico’s Glenn Thrush told Hughes. “Facts are facts. I’m sorry you don’t like the facts.”

The Atlantic’s James Fallows, who was also a guest on the show, later wrote that the comment left the rest of the guests “staring at one another in puzzlement.”

“This is the world we are now dealing with,” Fallows wrote.

There are a head-spinning number of lies and conspiracy theories that Trump has falsely presented as fact, including the idea that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese and the widely debunked claim that vaccines are directly linked to autism in children.


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I say a plague on both their houses. This is not an executive order but rather legislation from a Republican congress. The main purpose of the law is reasonable enough. The devil, however, is in the details as there are sections that could be used to get anyone (news organization, editorialist, blogger etc) who doesn't agree with the G's version of "truth" in big trouble. The fact that the president quietly signed the bill on the Friday before a holiday weekend, and that both Republicans and Democrats are neither praising nor condemning it can't be a good thing. Look for future court challenges.
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ShreveportLAGamer wrote:


LightRider wrote:
If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.

> Excerpts from the December 1, 2016 Huffington Post news story by Max Greenwood entitled:

Trump Surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes Claims That Trump’s Lies Aren’t Lies Because "There’s No Such Thing As Facts Anymore"
Fact Check: There are, actually, such things as facts.






Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes claimed Thursday that objective facts no longer exist.

President-elect Donald Trump likes to put forward lies and outlandish conspiracy theories as though they were statements of fact.

One of his most loyal surrogates offered a puzzling defense of this on Thursday, arguing that even Trump’s most pernicious statements aren’t really lies, because facts themselves no longer exist.

...snip...

I had this argument many years ago with a friend who was a nurse.

My response was that when something bad happened on her shift and the admin. wanted to blame her, she would suddenly rediscover the value of actual "facts".

Because if there are no facts then all she has is her opinion that someone else should take the blame. And "opinions" are very easy to ignore.

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Steve1501 wrote:
ShreveportLAGamer wrote:
LightRider wrote:
If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.

> Excerpts from the December 1, 2016 Huffington Post news story by Max Greenwood entitled:

Trump Surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes Claims That Trump’s Lies Aren’t Lies Because "There’s No Such Thing As Facts Anymore"
Fact Check: There are, actually, such things as facts.






Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes claimed Thursday that objective facts no longer exist.

President-elect Donald Trump likes to put forward lies and outlandish conspiracy theories as though they were statements of fact.

One of his most loyal surrogates offered a puzzling defense of this on Thursday, arguing that even Trump’s most pernicious statements aren’t really lies, because facts themselves no longer exist.

...snip...

I had this argument many years ago with a friend who was a nurse.

My response was that when something bad happened on her shift and the admin. wanted to blame her, she would suddenly rediscover the value of actual "facts".

Because if there are no facts then all she has is her opinion that someone else should take the blame. And "opinions" are very easy to ignore.

Unfortunately, we're not talking about a nurse but about the President-elect and the people who surround him. If I didn't know better, I thought I discerned a bit of "Heavenly Deception" (the Dominionist-adopted cult practice of deliberately lying in order to advance one's notions about the Kingdom of God on Earth) behind that b.s. that Scottie Nell Hughes was spouting.


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A clear case of a dangerous failure by the free market
LightRider wrote:
If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.


I agree.
The recent and ongoing destruction of, the critical to a sound democracy, common knowledge and common language by "news" organisations is a dangerous failing by the free market.
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This should have been the ministry of truthiness, with Stephen Colbert as the Prime Chief Supreme Head Honcho.
 
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LightRider wrote:
If we truly wanted a citizenry that was not vulnerable to false news or propaganda from a foreign power, we would have provided them a relevant education and a news media dedicated to serving the public interest with relevant facts and information. Unfortunately, we do not do these things because they do not align with the profit motive, and are therefor sacrificed in service to corporate greed and government agendas. There is no monetary incentive for a strong and informed public, so we are vulnerable to all sorts of disinformation and other psyops. We cannot afford a better education or news media in the context of a monetary system.


I agree.
The recent and ongoing destruction of, the critical to a sound democracy, common knowledge and common language by "news" organisations is a dangerous failing by the free market.


What? The same free market that accidentally feeds you every day? If that's the case, I agree.
 
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