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Most of you know that one of my pet peeves is how the film industry routinely messes up films that are based on books. Or, in other words, they change a lot of stuff from the book, add things not in it, and remove others -- all in the name of "improving" the book. GRRRRRRR...

Seriously, don't get me started...


Anyway......I recently read a teen book that the character is a drama teacher and loves theater, acting, etc. The character's father is a scientist and she complains about having to go to his lab when she was a child. She is speaking about it with her 12-year old daughter:

Daughter asks: "Were there any cool experiments?"

"It was all completely boring; that was the problem, no emotions, no excitement, no drama!"

Daughter responds: "There's lots of drama in science."

"Really? A bunch of boring people standing around in white lab coats?"

Daughter responds: "They aren't boring! They're passionate! Like you're always talking about!"

The daughter then explains about The Manhattan Project and Jonas Salk. Mother then adds: "Still, those stories could use some romance. I mean, who were they in love with?"

So......wow! The lightbulb went off in my head. Drama/film people are looking for excitement, passion, drama, and they usually equate that with romance or something similar. That's why the Tutankhamun show had to have Carter having sex with 2 different women; that's why books are changed - to spice things up; that's why the Prince Caspian movie had a romantic subplot between Susan and the Prince. OMG! I see!!




But I still don't like it!

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What you said, and two other words for good measure: "Sex sells"
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1500 people die needlessly and horribly at sea...
But, they were in Love!
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cooler king wrote:
1500 people die needlessly and horribly at sea...
But, they were in Love!


Oh yes, I had totally forgotten about this one!
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A most excellent rant.

Do you recommend the book? If so, what is it?
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On the other hand they took the sex between Hooper and Sheriff Brody's wife out of the book Jaws when they made the movie.
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scribidinus wrote:
On the other hand they took the sex between Hooper and Sheriff Brody's wife out of the book Jaws when they made the movie.


Sharks outsell sex
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Orangemoose wrote:
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On the other hand they took the sex between Hooper and Sheriff Brody's wife out of the book Jaws when they made the movie.


Sharks outsell sex


But sharks and tornados were a movie - so maybe the next installment is:

"Fifty Shades of Sharknado"?
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molnar wrote:
A most excellent rant.

Do you recommend the book? If so, what is it?


Oh, yes!


It's a middle grades book and super funny!
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Here's a little bit of insight into how Hollywood works. Sadly this is all too true....

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MABBY wrote:
What you said, and two other words for good measure: "Sex sells"
No kidding. I just added that Tutankhamen movie to my "to see" list.
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I get it, but it doesn't make me like the "forced romantic subplot" any more than if I didn't get it. I also get that sometimes when adapting some older stories they tend to be a little white-male-heavy and I'm good with trying to add a little diversity, but too often it comes across as forced.

I have no explanation for Eragon, the Hobbit trilogy or Gulliver's Travels.
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galad2003 wrote:
I don't know if you know this or not but movies are extremely formulaic. There are so many plot structures and pretty much every screen play follows them. Books don't necessarily go by this so when a book is adapted to a screenplay often it is hammered to fit into that formula. Once you know the plot structures it's hard to not see them in every movie, yet if a movie doesn't follow those plot structures it often bombs.

The one I hate the most is for the romantic comedy. The boy and the girl meet in some crazy "meet cute." Then he likes her but she doesn't like him, then she likes him but he doesn't like her and just as they both are about to admit their feelings for each other their is some wacky misunderstanding and they break up. Then they realize they can't live without each other but neither will admit it until (usually) the boy chases after her and wins her back with some romantic gesture at the climax.

So it's bad enough as a guy sitting through these awful romance movies but when you know the plot beforehand I just want to shoot my brains out. It's even worse when they decide to remake a Shakespeare play in modern times like "10 things i hate about you." They couldn't even write a new damned story.



Chris, is this the same thing as "tropes" because most horror movies have the same tropes and follow a similar plot line and denouement. I love movies that surprise me or break the 4th wall.

I don't watch Romantic Comedies anymore either. They are too dumb.
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wmshub wrote:
MABBY wrote:
What you said, and two other words for good measure: "Sex sells"
No kidding. I just added that Tutankhamen movie to my "to see" list.


It's a miniseries. Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5193662/
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EgorjLileli wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
I don't know if you know this or not but movies are extremely formulaic. There are so many plot structures and pretty much every screen play follows them. Books don't necessarily go by this so when a book is adapted to a screenplay often it is hammered to fit into that formula. Once you know the plot structures it's hard to not see them in every movie, yet if a movie doesn't follow those plot structures it often bombs.

The one I hate the most is for the romantic comedy. The boy and the girl meet in some crazy "meet cute." Then he likes her but she doesn't like him, then she likes him but he doesn't like her and just as they both are about to admit their feelings for each other their is some wacky misunderstanding and they break up. Then they realize they can't live without each other but neither will admit it until (usually) the boy chases after her and wins her back with some romantic gesture at the climax.

So it's bad enough as a guy sitting through these awful romance movies but when you know the plot beforehand I just want to shoot my brains out. It's even worse when they decide to remake a Shakespeare play in modern times like "10 things i hate about you." They couldn't even write a new damned story.



Chris, is this the same thing as "tropes" because most horror movies have the same tropes and follow a similar plot line and denouement. I love movies that surprise me or break the 4th wall.

I don't watch Romantic Comedies anymore either. They are too dumb.


My wife loves them. I don't mind watching them with her, I just wish she didn't expect real life (and, frankly, me!) to be/act like that.
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cold_fuzion wrote:
I get it, but it doesn't make me like the "forced romantic subplot" any more than if I didn't get it. I also get that sometimes when adapting some older stories they tend to be a little white-male-heavy and I'm good with trying to add a little diversity, but too often it comes across as forced.

I have no explanation for Eragon, the Hobbit trilogy or Gulliver's Travels.


But diversity also goes overboard. Sometimes groups that were historically all white are portrayed with diversity.......that is taking PC too far, IMHO.
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Yeah. Where do they get Romcoms? Romance isn't funny in real life. It's often cruel and depressing.





Or is it just me?
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EgorjLileli wrote:
cold_fuzion wrote:
I get it, but it doesn't make me like the "forced romantic subplot" any more than if I didn't get it. I also get that sometimes when adapting some older stories they tend to be a little white-male-heavy and I'm good with trying to add a little diversity, but too often it comes across as forced.

I have no explanation for Eragon, the Hobbit trilogy or Gulliver's Travels.


But diversity also goes overboard. Sometimes groups that were historically all white are portrayed with diversity.......that is taking PC too far, IMHO.
Agreed. And sometimes it's just "let's make character X black and street" or "super four-alarm gay" for no real reason. My wife has been watching a lot of stupid TV lately and she watched some show where I swear 90% of the characters are gay or lesbian (Young & Hungry or something like that). It didn't help the show was just plain stupid too.
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EgorjLileli wrote:
molnar wrote:
A most excellent rant.

Do you recommend the book? If so, what is it?


Oh, yes!


It's a middle grades book and super funny!


Ha! We bought this one for our son for Christmas!
He's only 8 though, so I think I'll read it, myself, first to see if he's ready for it.
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EgorjLileli wrote:
cold_fuzion wrote:
I get it, but it doesn't make me like the "forced romantic subplot" any more than if I didn't get it. I also get that sometimes when adapting some older stories they tend to be a little white-male-heavy and I'm good with trying to add a little diversity, but too often it comes across as forced.

I have no explanation for Eragon, the Hobbit trilogy or Gulliver's Travels.


But diversity also goes overboard. Sometimes groups that were historically all white are portrayed with diversity.......that is taking PC too far, IMHO.

Couldn't get Hamilton tickets?
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jbrecken wrote:
EgorjLileli wrote:
cold_fuzion wrote:
I get it, but it doesn't make me like the "forced romantic subplot" any more than if I didn't get it. I also get that sometimes when adapting some older stories they tend to be a little white-male-heavy and I'm good with trying to add a little diversity, but too often it comes across as forced.

I have no explanation for Eragon, the Hobbit trilogy or Gulliver's Travels.


But diversity also goes overboard. Sometimes groups that were historically all white are portrayed with diversity.......that is taking PC too far, IMHO.

Couldn't get Hamilton tickets?


Hamilton is a different beast as it is a musical and on purpose breaking the stereotypical roles in a fun way.

I'm talking a historical type action/dramas where they make a character a minority...for inclusion diversity?? They don't realize that they're making them into tokens instead of people.
 
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galad2003 wrote:
I don't know if you know this or not but movies are extremely formulaic. There are so many plot structures and pretty much every screen play follows them. Books don't necessarily go by this so when a book is adapted to a screenplay often it is hammered to fit into that formula. Once you know the plot structures it's hard to not see them in every movie, yet if a movie doesn't follow those plot structures it often bombs.

The one I hate the most is for the romantic comedy. The boy and the girl meet in some crazy "meet cute." Then he likes her but she doesn't like him, then she likes him but he doesn't like her and just as they both are about to admit their feelings for each other their is some wacky misunderstanding and they break up. Then they realize they can't live without each other but neither will admit it until (usually) the boy chases after her and wins her back with some romantic gesture at the climax.

So it's bad enough as a guy sitting through these awful romance movies but when you know the plot beforehand I just want to shoot my brains out. It's even worse when they decide to remake a Shakespeare play in modern times like "10 things i hate about you." They couldn't even write a new damned story.



Eh, both genre fiction and blockbuster movies are formulaic.
 
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EgorjLileli wrote:
Most of you know that one of my pet peeves is how the film industry routinely messes up films that are based on books. Or, in other words, they change a lot of stuff from the book, add things not in it, and remove others -- all in the name of "improving" the book. GRRRRRRR...

I would suggest that a film of a book isn't made for the X number of people who read the book, it's for the X x 1,000 people who like to go to the movies, and also that the rules of film drama are different and more restrictive that what one can pull off in a novel.

However, I do agree that it's lame when a romance is stapled onto a story where it never belonged.
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