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PzVIE wrote:
Have you thought about the fact that a good percentage of all users here aren't English native speakers? That might explain a lot!

Interestingly, some grammar mistakes are made more often by native speakers (who perhaps received shoddy formal instruction about the grammar of their own language and never consciously thought much about its grammar) than by non-native speakers (who often formally consciously learned and thought about the grammar)!

E.g. surprisingly many native English speakers erroneously say things like "He visited my wife and I" (even though they know to say "He visited me", and would not say "He visited I").

But (as far as I've noticed) significantly fewer non-native English speakers make that particular mistake.
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PzVIE wrote:
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I generally don't consider myself highly pedantic, but I am always puzzled how identical grammar problems are repeated, be it on BGG, board gaming forums or general internet forums and can never figure out why.

Have you thought about the fact that a good percentage of all users here aren't English native speakers? That might explain a lot!
While that sounds like a good answer, I've seen far to many native speakers make these errors to be convinced that that's what is happening.
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PzVIE wrote:
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I generally don't consider myself highly pedantic, but I am always puzzled how identical grammar problems are repeated, be it on BGG, board gaming forums or general internet forums and can never figure out why.

Have you thought about the fact that a good percentage of all users here aren't English native speakers? That might explain a lot!


Nah - a much better explanation (because I find that those for whom English is not native are rather good at spelling and punctuation, having actually been taught) is that native English speakers lack a proper education in their own language. The logic appears to be thus: we all speak English already, why would we need to be taught about it? The flaws are immediately obvious.
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people using long meandering sentences by utilizing commas in three or four different ways bug me more than people who make irritating-but-easy-to-understand speeeling errors.

Clarity should be the goal of communication moreso than perfection of form.
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German here.
It really hurts my eyes when I see people write "should/could/would of".
Does it even make sense at all.
To me it looks like total bullshit.

When I learned english (and other languages) I found it most important to get the grammar right.
Then I must admit that I probably do a lot of "its and it's" wrong.
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I just got some more amusing anecdotal evidence for my assertion that native speakers make this mistake more often than non-native speakers:

I asked my (Polish and non-native English speaker) wife to write the word "should've" in a sentence like "I should've done that", and she correctly wrote "'ve" instead of "of" for the contraction of "have".

I told her that a lot of native English speakers write "of". She literally gasped in surprise with wide eyes, and said in an amazed voice "WHAT? WHY? That makes no sense!"
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I just got some more amusing anecdotal evidence for my assertion that native speakers make this mistake more often than non-native speakers:

I asked my (Polish and non-native English speaker) wife to write the word "should've" in a sentence like "I should've done that", and she correctly wrote "'ve" instead of "of" for the contraction of "have".

I told her that a lot of native English speakers write "of". She literally gasped in surprise with wide eyes, and said in an amazed voice "WHAT? WHY? That makes no sense!"


Yep, that's exactly what I meant about "for all intensive purposes" above - the people who say that, instead of "for all intents and purposes" are simply not thinking at all about what they are trying to say, whereas those for whom English is foreign do think very precisely about what they are saying. We need more of the latter.
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As a copy editor, I have accepted that trying to proofread the internet is a fool's errand. At minimum you will run afoul of Muphry's Law which states "If you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written." More likely you will slowly drive yourself insane.

You also run into places where a new way of writing something supplants what came before, which is then labeled archaic. English is a living language, and it changes.

The quote I try to remember every time someone uses the word "octopi" is from James Nicoll:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
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grant5 wrote:

You forgot some periods.


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russ wrote:
I told her that a lot of native English speakers write "of". She literally gasped in surprise with wide eyes, and said in an amazed voice "WHAT? WHY? That makes no sense!"


Seems to make sense, they sound very similar
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Now, now, let's have some empathy for the not-insignificant quantity of Internet posts made by people who attended American public schools.
 
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PzVIE wrote:
rubberbands wrote:
I generally don't consider myself highly pedantic, but I am always puzzled how identical grammar problems are repeated, be it on BGG, board gaming forums or general internet forums and can never figure out why.

Have you thought about the fact that a good percentage of all users here aren't English native speakers? That might explain a lot!


Nah - a much better explanation (because I find that those for whom English is not native are rather good at spelling and punctuation, having actually been taught) is that native English speakers lack a proper education in their own language. The logic appears to be thus: we all speak English already, why would we need to be taught about it? The flaws are immediately obvious.


An even better explanation is that it just doesn't matter.
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JasonJ0 wrote:
russ wrote:
I just got some more amusing anecdotal evidence for my assertion that native speakers make this mistake more often than non-native speakers:

I asked my (Polish and non-native English speaker) wife to write the word "should've" in a sentence like "I should've done that", and she correctly wrote "'ve" instead of "of" for the contraction of "have".

I told her that a lot of native English speakers write "of". She literally gasped in surprise with wide eyes, and said in an amazed voice "WHAT? WHY? That makes no sense!"


Yep, that's exactly what I meant about "for all intensive purposes" above - the people who say that, instead of "for all intents and purposes" are simply not thinking at all about what they are trying to say, whereas those for whom English is foreign do think very precisely about what they are saying. We need more of the latter.


The real question is how many people think the phrase is "for all in tents, and porpoises."
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JasonJ0 wrote:
russ wrote:
I just got some more amusing anecdotal evidence for my assertion that native speakers make this mistake more often than non-native speakers:

I asked my (Polish and non-native English speaker) wife to write the word "should've" in a sentence like "I should've done that", and she correctly wrote "'ve" instead of "of" for the contraction of "have".

I told her that a lot of native English speakers write "of". She literally gasped in surprise with wide eyes, and said in an amazed voice "WHAT? WHY? That makes no sense!"


Yep, that's exactly what I meant about "for all intensive purposes" above - the people who say that, instead of "for all intents and purposes" are simply not thinking at all about what they are trying to say, whereas those for whom English is foreign do think very precisely about what they are saying. We need more of the latter.


The real question is how many people think the phrase is "for all in tents, and porpoises."


So long as it is done per se, it is a perfectly cromulent phrase.
 
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