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David Molnar
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It had better be a really nice pencil...
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
molnar (#25708),

All of Rio Grande's prices have recently risen to make up for the declining value of the dollar against the Euro. This would have been priced at 19.95 before this price increase. Jay hopes this is just temporary.
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
It's the standard price for Alea's "small box" games (16 Euro).

Here's the first preview (in German). An no it ain't no special pencil... ???

ttp://www.spielbox.de/spielarchiv/sbmessen/spiel041.php4?vlg=ale
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
Dang! It was just becoming worth paying for the postage to Oz
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
ccomeaux (#25709),

Alright, alright, $25 then! But that's my last offer!

(is anyone here not going to pay the extra three bucks?)
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
davek (#25764),

Well, yes. I am concerned that the tension in the relationship between the trader and captain has been removed from the card game version. Seems to me that there isn't very much game left after removing those elements. Designer is still AS, however, so I will certainly withhold judgment until I've tried it.

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Re:List price is $22.95?!
jimc (#25778),

Definitely reserve judgement. They have added a different element by turning your buildings into money, which means you will have to make choices between building a lot of little buildings, or a few big buildings.

Therefore, theme aside, consider this a completely new game, and don't try to compare to PR. Actually, it looks a lot closer to Citadels.

Hopefully, there will be no one dominant strategy.

Jon

P.S. When do I get to start making new buildings? :-)
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
Shade_Jon (#25784),

never , hopefully
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
If Mik Smellov's preview is any indication, then there looks to be a strategy that looks pretty abusive already. One of the large buildings gives 2 additional victory points per productin building. Since there is no limit on the number of porduction buildings and there are a LOT of production buildings in the deck, this could account for as many as 22 additional VP's.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if Mik is mis-remembering the cards. I would think that 2 points for each DIFFERENT production building would be about right for this game!
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
RandallPeek (#29092),

Hey Randall....

If you are talking about the recent review here on the geek, that was from me, not Mik S(m)ellov.

As for the wording on the card....I assure you I have it correct (at least the German vesrion of the game), because I checked three times after getting my assed kicked three times by my opponents using the Guild Hall strategy. It seems particularly devastating in the 2 player game since there are still 8 cost-1 Indigo factories in the game.

My girlfriend suggested using the 2 points per DIFFERENT production building as a variant. I thought about using 3 points per 2 buildings (any type) as a variant. I plan to try one of these during my next two player game.

Mike Bialecki
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
No, I had just got back from the Brett & Board website when I wrote that article, and that was where I got a listing of every card in the deck. I wonder how they let this obviously broken building get past playtesting? It seems abusive to say the least, and if this is what we have to look forward to, then I don't think I will be looking forward to it, after all!
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
Well, the simple answer to the Zunfthalle strategy is to build a Kappelle and toss both of the Zunfthalles under it as quickly as possible. Case closed!
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
RandallPeek (#29133),

I've played all of five games now on BSW, so I am now an expert :-). In three of those games, I played the Zunfthalle, but only won one of those.

In one of the other games, I was trying desperately to find a Zunfthalle and had 9 production buildings, I think (one of the non-production buildings was Schmeide). If I had found it, I would have won, but not by a lot.

Consequently, I don't think that it's overpowered.
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Love the game and look forward to getting an English copy so my local mitspielers will spiel!

Happy Gaming,
Scott
 
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Re:List price is $22.95?!
I don't think the Zunfthalle is abusive, either. There really isn't any use for more than 2 production buildings in this game. Maybe with the right purple buildings you could use 3, and with the perfect combination 4. But if you build nothing but Zunfthalle and 11 production buildings, everyone else is going to be getting a lot more cards and building a lot more efficiently, because they have buildings that actually do things.

I just played in a game with someone using the Zunfthalle strategy; Zunfthalle, Schmeide, and all production buildings. They did not win, because they just weren't getting enough cards in the end game. It looks like a decent strategy, esp. if you don't get any good purple buildings to build around, but it's definitely not unbeatable.
 
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