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Does anyone know if the new edition rules are different than the old ones?
Or is any new rules added?

Also, if someone can upload a English translated of the new French edition that'll be great


Thanks!!
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The rules are EXACTLY the same. Only new components. You can use a printout of the Rio Grande English rules.
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veector wrote:
The rules are EXACTLY the same. Only new components. You can use a printout of the Rio Grande English rules.


Awesome, thanks for the info

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I would be happy to do the Photoshop work if someone would like to translate what each paragraph in the new rule set says into text.
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I would be happy to do the Photoshop work if someone would like to translate what each paragraph in the new rule set says into text.


Don't you guys learn French in Canada-School?
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French classes are mandated up until grade 10 or something but that doesn't mean you have to pay attention in class...
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Pas de soucis alors!
 
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veector wrote:
The rules are EXACTLY the same. Only new components. You can use a printout of the Rio Grande English rules.

A valuable tip in general is to check the Files and Web Links modules on the main page of any game.

/weblink/50814/tikal-rules-rio-grande-games

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So the Super Meeple edition doesn't have the mini-Tikal variant for 2 players?
 
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adamredwoods wrote:
So the Super Meeple edition doesn't have the mini-Tikal variant for 2 players?


AFAIK that was a fan-made variant.
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veector wrote:
adamredwoods wrote:
So the Super Meeple edition doesn't have the mini-Tikal variant for 2 players?


AFAIK that was a fan-made variant.

Several threads exist to show this. This one I found first today:

Re: Fort Worth Varient gone?

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Does anyone know if the new edition rules are different than the old ones?
Or is any new rules added?

Also, if someone can upload a English translated of the new French edition that'll be great


Thanks!!



I started working on it. I downloaded Adobe Pro trial edition, which lets you edit pdf files. Unfortunately, I ran out of time, since they only give you 7 days to try it out. So it is 75% finished. Send me a message, if you would like to take a look at it. Perhaps someone here can do the awesome job of finishing it?
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http://www.supermeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Regles...
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I was excited for this but it's just the French rules.
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Rakasis wrote:
I was excited for this but it's just the French rules.


If you're looking for a pdf of English rules - is there any reason you can't just use the rules downloadable here?

http://riograndegames.com/Game/191-Tikal

Absolutely zero rules changes, right? So this should work.
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TVis wrote:
veector wrote:
adamredwoods wrote:
So the Super Meeple edition doesn't have the mini-Tikal variant for 2 players?


AFAIK that was a fan-made variant.

Several threads exist to show this. This one I found first today:

Re: Fort Worth Varient gone?



That thread does lead to a 2-player variant.
But it's worth noting there is another quite popular fan-made 2-player "mini-tikal" variant, in the files section rather than in the weblinks section:
Mini-Tikal 1.01.pdf
I'm not sure how similar they are, but they seem to be created by different people.

I don't know of any actual release of Tikal (RGG, etc) that had a mini/2-player variant; these have all been fan-created I think.
 
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My impression was that this thread was about creating a document that could be printed that would match the graphic design of the newest version of the game. I have the rules printed and in my copy. It just looks terrible.
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I could easily photoshop a blank version of the new rulebook. It's the literal translation of each section that proves a challenge.
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Rakasis wrote:
I could easily photoshop a blank version of the new rulebook. It's the literal translation of each section that proves a challenge.
Google Translate does a decent translation if you copy section by section. I did this for my own use, and each piece could be put in place fairly easily.
 
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Sorry to disagree, but there is at least one change in "Super Meeple"'s Tikal's rules. Actually the expedition leader generally counts as 1 in a basic majority determination on a hexagone, its value gets to 3 only and only if one wants to place a temple guard.
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In the old and new rule in french, the player need to have a expedition member in the hexagon to establish a new camp. I like this rule even if it seems to be a old rule translation error (difference between "kein" and "ein").

We always play with the rule that the expedition leader is of 3 value in every majority (guardian and scoring) even if it didn't seems to be the rule intent (we need someone to read the old german rule page 7 "Allerdings zählt der Expeditionsleiter, wennes um Expeditionsmehrheiten an Tempeln geht, so viel wie3 Expeditionsteilnehmer", the new french one are clear we are wrong). Perhaps we just assumed falsely all this years. But i won't change the way we play.

Final round scoring precision: the first player to begin his final round scoring is the one to the left of the player that placed the last hexagon.

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here: https://www.trictrac.net/forum/sujet/tikal-chef-et-majorite?...

a SuperMeeple representative said that the expedition leader count as 3 for majority for scoring and temple takeover. So we played correctly and the new french rules are currently misleading.
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zombywoof wrote:
Sorry to disagree, but there is at least one change in "Super Meeple"'s Tikal's rules. Actually the expedition leader generally counts as 1 in a basic majority determination on a hexagone, its value gets to 3 only and only if one wants to place a temple guard.


We always played that the leader is always 3-value. In the rules, I thought that they mentioned it in the "guard" section because that's the first place in the rules that "expedition strength" is mentioned, so they're kind of defining "expedition strength" at the same time (admittedly, not the most organized way to do it). But, the rules don't restrict the 3-value explicitly to the guard-placing scenario.

Can you point to some FAQ or rules post or designer post or something from the original rules that states that the leader is only 1-value in non-guard-placement situations, in the original rules? Definitely news to me, if so!
 
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here: https://www.trictrac.net/forum/sujet/tikal-chef-et-majorite?...

a SuperMeeple representative said that the expedition leader count as 3 for majority for scoring and temple takeover. So we played correctly and the new french rules are currently misleading.


Oh I see, so the other poster was saying it's the new rules that the leader is only 1 point, not the old rules. I misunderstood.

Has SuperMeeple stated that there are no rules changes in the new edition, just to clear things up?
(Or, itemize the new rules changes maybe?)
 
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I think that the only rule change is that you need a expedition member in the hexagon where you want to establish a camp.

They say it is official and that W. Kramer validates it.

see this link:

https://www.trictrac.net/forum/sujet/tikal-installer-un-camp...
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My bad,

I've checked the link on the french forum and I am not the only who has been missleaded by the rules booklet and it's been quite a debate. The problem is in two sentences: one saying (in "add an explorer", "remarks" section) that the leader is refeared as a standard explorer and a second one in the "settle a guard section" saying in these words (translated from french)" in that case the leader is worth 3 points".

Sorry and thank you.
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