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Subject: The "They went too far!"/"They didn't go far enough!" RSP thread rss

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mdp4828 wrote:
This article on the nature of time is perhaps the favorite thing I've posted on BGG and gives an indication of the value of the forum to me.


Nice one indeed.
(Though I can't help but note that it seems unrelated to religion, sex, or politics!)

Interesting to see that even in those Good Old Days, jocularly saying stuff like "You can go to hell, bite me, and eat a bag of dicks." was apparently a normal unremarkable part of the style of dialog. I confess I'm glad the rest of BGG isn't that way.

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Tangentially I see evidence of how many RSP users apparently delete their accounts and all their content in a huff: the last two pages (4 & 5) of the thread are empty of comments!

(Which always seemed a strange obvious bug in BGG's forums: why continue to show those pages if they have no comments? Is it OK to complain about that here?)
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russ wrote:


Nice one indeed.
(Though I can't help but note that it seems unrelated to religion, sex, or politics!)


I always thought it was Religion Science and Politics. ninja

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Interesting to see that even in those Good Old Days, jocularly saying stuff like "You can go to hell, bite me, and eat a bag of dicks." was apparently a normal unremarkable part of the style of dialog. I confess I'm glad the rest of BGG isn't that way.


Yeah, this kind of stuff is always going to be a matter of taste. As long as it's jocular it doesn't bother me too much. I am all in favor of strong moderation when it's not though. Including for passive aggressive group labels where you avoid calling a specific person a name and instead insult a group which you believe they are associated with. I'd ban that too.

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Tangentially I see evidence of how many RSP users apparently delete their accounts and all their content in a huff: the last two pages (4 & 5) of the thread are empty of comments!


Yeah, that's a valid point. I have no explanation.
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This is not the only "hobby" website I have been to that has an RSP equivalent. For the benefit of all you young'uns who weren't here back in the early days of the internet, religion & politics would show up on just about any website that had a message forum. Providing a designated subforum for it is similar to giving smokers a smoking section. If you make it illegal, they are going keep sneaking it in. If you give them a corner to stand in where it is legal, they (generally) follow the rule. Given how long BGG has been on the web, RSP likely started during the era of the internet when this really was the best solution for dealing with religious troublemakers. Whether you think RSP is appropriate for BGG or not, it most likely is still the best policy today.

My only issue for which I can see a potential complaint is that Octavian uses the word "toxic" a lot but doesn't actually define it anywhere. It, honestly, is not clear to me what he is attempting to censor or control. But since I stay out of RSP (save one thread I am subbed to) I really don't much care what happens over there.
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davypi wrote:
But since I stay out of RSP (save one thread I am subbed to) I really don't much care what happens over there.
It's this one, right? It's gotta be that one.
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mdp4828 wrote:
russ wrote:
Tangentially I see evidence of how many RSP users apparently delete their accounts and all their content in a huff: the last two pages (4 & 5) of the thread are empty of comments!


Yeah, that's a valid point. I have no explanation.

Maybe those aren't deleted posts, maybe THOSE ARE POSTS FROM THE FUTURE.
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spoon wrote:
mdp4828 wrote:
russ wrote:
Tangentially I see evidence of how many RSP users apparently delete their accounts and all their content in a huff: the last two pages (4 & 5) of the thread are empty of comments!


Yeah, that's a valid point. I have no explanation.

Maybe those aren't deleted posts, maybe THOSE ARE POSTS FROM THE FUTURE.


Those were, as far as I can tell, all BJ.

The Drinking thread lost 45 pages when he left. The RSP games thread lost something like 12 pages. He was quite a prolific poster.

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Few thoughts.

It would help if RSP was specifically described as a flame forum, not just unmoderated. As that seems to be what it is.

I have an interest in religon, sex and indeed politics. I haven't posted in RSP for years because I can't be bothered sifting through the flames to get to the discussions. (And realistically, there are other places I can debate and discuss any of those subjects online).

Leaving aside the stalking issue (which obviously needs coming down on heavily), I don't mind RSP being there for those that want to use it. What does annoy me is Octavian's insistence on shifting contentious boardgame related threads (sexism in gaming, slavery in Puerto Rico) etc. down there. Those should be perfectly acceptable to discuss in the general forum.
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Few thoughts.

It would help if RSP was specifically described as a flame forum, not just unmoderated. As that seems to be what it is.

I have an interest in religon, sex and indeed politics. I haven't posted in RSP for years because I can't be bothered sifting through the flames to get to the discussions. (And realistically, there are other places I can debate and discuss any of those subjects online).

Leaving aside the stalking issue (which obviously needs coming down on heavily), I don't mind RSP being there for those that want to use it. What does annoy me is Octavian's insistence on shifting contentious boardgame related threads (sexism in gaming, slavery in Puerto Rico) etc. down there. Those should be perfectly acceptable to discuss in the general forum.


Moderation is back! A lot of toxic people have been banned or stopped posting.
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Moderation is back! A lot of toxic people have been banned or stopped posting.

The regulars in the cooking and knitting guilds should brace themselves for the next crackdown. Lord knows we read reports of those rapscallions' delinquent behavior far too often here in the complaints department.
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Another perspective: If you want to discuss topics that people get contentious or cantankerous about, it is easier to discuss those topics with people with whom you have a different shared value set.

I care about games way more than I care about politics, so it's easier to talk about politics with gamers without getting mad -- because at the end of the day, I can play board games w/ people I politely disagree with, and notice our shared humanity in spite of our disagreements.

This is very helpful and helps me resolve my political disagreements with my family, as well as helped me talk to them in a rational manner even when they disagree politically with me in a way that upsets me. (Politics involve personal stakes for us all, etc.) It helps me keep a cool head while discussing things I am passionate about.

I also talk to gamers about RSP topics because I'm very interested in how games handle RSP topics! It's a good way to look at various perspectives. (That doesn't come up that much, though.)
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A lack of anonymity also helps. Geekmail me to join Facebook RSP.
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fnord23 wrote:
s3kt0r wrote:
The collection of users that are in RSP are no more experts on religion, sex or politics than Jim Bob on the street.


You are incorrect about this particular point.

Certainly not everyone is, but there are plenty of experts in all three areas. And the *average* level of knowledge of all three in RSP is certainly higher than that among gamers in general, much less the general populace.

From what I've seen there, I'd bet on the general populace.

Pete (thinks at least they're more likely to be civil)
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