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http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2017/01/19/Lawmakers...



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Pro-police blue lines cause controversey in N.J. towns

Two New Jersey congressmen have introduced legislation to allow towns to paint strips of blue on roadways to honor police after regulators said the tributes crossed the line of federal safety rules.

Republican U.S. Rep. Leonard Lance and Democratic U.S. Rep. Bill Pascrell introduced legislation Tuesday to permit the blue lines that have sprung up in towns around the state and elsewhere after more than 100 police officers were killed in the line of duty nationally last year.

The thin blue line traditionally represents the role law enforcement serves, standing between law-abiding citizens and criminals. Communities saw this as an appropriate way to thank officers and others for their efforts and the sacrifices they make.

But after an official in Somerset County wrote to the Federal Highway Administration to get clarification about whether the blue lines painted between the double yellow lines in the center of roadways were permitted, agency officials informed them that the lines don't comply with the provisions of the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways. That manual defines the standards for such devices on all public roadways, bikeways and private roads open to public travel.

"We appreciate and understand the efforts by local governments and others that convey support for law enforcement officers," FHA spokesman Neil Gaffney said. "However, the yellow lines down the center of a road are meant to control traffic and modification of that marking could cause confusion, accidents and fatalities. Our number one priority is the safety of all drivers."
So we're altering standard traffic representations for the sake of moral posturing and virtue signalling. Lovely. I'm sure New Jersey towns have very little else to spend their time on, except... well... everything that makes their state terrible.

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Noting that 135 police officers were killed in the line of duty last year, Pascrell and Lance said "communities should be able to honor law enforcement without the federal government's telling them no."

"If you look up the word 'bureaucracy,' you will find the (standards manual)," said James Batelli, police chief in Mahwah, where a 150-foot blue line has been painted near the police department's headquarters.

He said transportation officials should have more important things to address than blue lines painted on roadways.

"This should be very low on the list of priorities, and it probably shouldn't even be on the list," he said.
LOL. So... "bureacrats" telling him it's a safety hazard apparently have "more important things to address." Unlike the folks who decided it was a great use of funds to paint blue stripes on the road. Uh-huh. Okay. Irony meter off the charts. "This should be very low on the list of priorities."

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James Pasco, executive director of the Washington-based Fraternal Order of Police, the largest law enforcement labor organization in the United States with more than 330,000 members, derided the letter from federal regulators as bureaucratic overreach.

"Any driver who gets confused by the color of the line is a confused driver," Pasco said. "It's a lot safer to have a blue line in the middle of the street than it is for police officers to get shot at."
I'm not even sure I know what that last sentence means. So... an unnecessary, politically-motivated blue line painted on the road is "safer" than... ummm... shooting cops? Is that it? So it has to be an either-or? Either we paint blue lines on roads, or cops get shot? Is that it?

Meaningless public displays of enforced morality aside: Lines on the road mean things. If you pass on a double-yellow line, it will get you pulled over. So now I am supposed to interpret what a blue-line means between the double-yellow line? All so the cops can have their ego stroked by the locals? Really? Enough. We all understand being a cop is hard, but you're not scoring points with anyone with these sorts of misguided tribute attempts. You want to help a cop? Contribute to the policemen's ball, or thank one the next time they help, or give them the thumbs-up. Let's leave basic traffic laws out of this. Save the partisan pissing contests for city council meetings and Facebook.
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Perhaps roadside memorials for police, like the bicyles and crosses where cyclists died and and drunk drivers killed someone.

Probably who ever backed this is normally is strongly against wasteful government spending.
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I guess BLM members blocking traffic on an interstate makes a whole lot more sense.
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Actually I suspect they probably show through snow and rain a bit better.



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TheDashi wrote:
I guess BLM members blocking traffic on an interstate makes a whole lot more sense.


Absolutely! 99% of people agree that killing cops is a bad idea. Even among those few who support violence against law enforcement, only a tiny tiny handful will ever do so. It's a non-issue.

The majority of officers killed in the line of duty die in traffic accidents. And the majority of police killed by perpetrators are killed by white men. When it comes down to it, a number of professions have much higher fatality rates than police. Truckers, for instance.

So...while it's important to honor the hard work done by cops, and to respect that most of them do put their lives on the line for the common good, it's not exactly a position in much need of a PR boost. Despite the rhetoric of police unions, and the increasing militarization of police departments, they are not in a war zone. It's safer than ever for them.

Systemic racism, police brutality, and the need for criminal justice reform? Now that's worth blocking traffic over.
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Yeah, that's definitely illegal. This is pretty much exactly what standardized traffic devices are made to stop.
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Does them "blue lines" lead directly into the local nearest "Doughnut Shops", since, what other good/purpose would these 'serve'? whistle
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The phrase "good intentions" springs to mind. There are better, more important and more permanent ways of showing appreciation to the police. None of this, however, even approaches ways to deal with the problems. Typical.
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galad2003 wrote:
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If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.


But we can't eliminate any of the government jobs!
There are volunteer cops, maybe these guys are volunteer public works dudes.
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galad2003 wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.
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But we can't eliminate any of the government jobs!
There are volunteer cops, maybe these guys are volunteer public works dudes.
"Adopt a Highway" stretch also, and many 'participate' for theirs with our continuing "thanks"! thumbsupcool
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I'm in a union and vehemently pro-union, but I too realize that there are bad eggs who abuse the system. It's better than the alternative though.
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galad2003 wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.


But we can't eliminate any of the government jobs!


It's a narrow shot but it looks like they didn't stop traffic so those guys as basicaly human traffic cones which considering the drivers in NJ is probably more dangerous than being a police officer.
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Koldfoot wrote:
If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.


I'm from Illinois. This is a typical photo in Illinois.

I've never seen this shit in SD. We have a LOT less traffic here, obviously, but... bleh.

It's good to, as a liberal, be honest about the benefits of living in a red state. I drive 90 to work on roads that are in good shape. If I drive two miles further, I'm in Iowa, and it's endless construction with no workers present. (Gee, I wonder what changed?)

On that same topic -- why is dumping cash into a stupid blue line not a similar level of egregious? I'm totally fine w/ using public money to hire artists to create works that honor the work police do -- I think it's good and important -- but this is actively dangerous as it changes how people perceive the roadway. It's illegal for a reason.

And we'll pay those same guys to go clean it up, one guy at a time, five guys watching at a time.
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I'm in a union and vehemently pro-union, but I too realize that there are bad eggs who abuse the system. It's better than the alternative though.

Which alternative, Paul Ryan World?
 
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Terwox wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.


I'm from Illinois. This is a typical photo in Illinois.

I've never seen this shit in SD. We have a LOT less traffic here, obviously, but... bleh.

It's good to, as a liberal, be honest about the benefits of living in a red state. I drive 90 to work on roads that are in good shape. If I drive two miles further, I'm in Iowa, and it's endless construction with no workers present. (Gee, I wonder what changed?)

On that same topic -- why is dumping cash into a stupid blue line not a similar level of egregious? I'm totally fine w/ using public money to hire artists to create works that honor the work police do -- I think it's good and important -- but this is actively dangerous as it changes how people perceive the roadway. It's illegal for a reason.

And we'll pay those same guys to go clean it up, one guy at a time, five guys watching at a time.


I'm confused. Are you implying that Iowa is a blue state?
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
Terwox wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
If nothing else it is a classic photo.

One guy running a machine and 5 guys supervising.


I'm from Illinois. This is a typical photo in Illinois.

I've never seen this shit in SD. We have a LOT less traffic here, obviously, but... bleh.

It's good to, as a liberal, be honest about the benefits of living in a red state. I drive 90 to work on roads that are in good shape. If I drive two miles further, I'm in Iowa, and it's endless construction with no workers present. (Gee, I wonder what changed?)

On that same topic -- why is dumping cash into a stupid blue line not a similar level of egregious? I'm totally fine w/ using public money to hire artists to create works that honor the work police do -- I think it's good and important -- but this is actively dangerous as it changes how people perceive the roadway. It's illegal for a reason.

And we'll pay those same guys to go clean it up, one guy at a time, five guys watching at a time.


I'm confused. Are you implying that Iowa is a blue state?


No, you're inferring incorrectly. Though my communication was loose.

I know there's more to it than red vs. blue, but sometimes I lump my thinking about the higher speed limit together w/ my thinking about the frequency and duration of construction.

It's just a heuristic -- I don't know the party of the governor in Iowa, I'm just handwaving based on their swing-state status.
 
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This shows the cross-cultural differences between countries that view status as being expressed by height above the ground and those that view ubiquitousness as signalling status.

Putting police or their symbols on the ground to be walked and driven on would demonstrate contempt for the police to most of S.E. Asian cultures.

(AIUI)
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This shows the cross-cultural differences between countries that view status as being expressed by height above the ground and those that view ubiquitousness as signalling status.

Putting police or their symbols on the ground to be walked and driven on would demonstrate contempt for the police to most of S.E. Asian cultures.

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Pinook wrote:
This shows the cross-cultural differences between countries that view status as being expressed by height above the ground and those that view ubiquitousness as signalling status.

Putting police or their symbols on the ground to be walked and driven on would demonstrate contempt for the police to most of S.E. Asian cultures.

(AIUI)
shake These very same "Asian Cultures" that 'glorify' NAZIS and then expected A-L-L others being "considerate" for their BS?
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