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'Everything good' is a bit of hyperbole, but sweet christmas! this looks bad, although I'm sure some of the RSP conservatives will be happy.

Trump team prepares dramatic cuts
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The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

[...]

The Heritage blueprint used as a basis for Trump’s proposed cuts calls for eliminating several programs that conservatives label corporate welfare programs: the Minority Business Development Agency, the Economic Development Administration, the International Trade Administration and the Manufacturing Extension Partnership. The total savings from cutting these four programs would amount to nearly $900 million in 2017.

At the Department of Justice, the blueprint calls for eliminating the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, Violence Against Women Grants and the Legal Services Corporation and for reducing funding for its Civil Rights and its Environment and Natural Resources divisions.

At the Department of Energy, it would roll back funding for nuclear physics and advanced scientific computing research to 2008 levels, eliminate the Office of Electricity, eliminate the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and scrap the Office of Fossil Energy, which focuses on technologies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Under the State Department’s jurisdiction, funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the Paris Climate Change Agreement and the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are candidates for elimination.


Of course, this is going to run into a wall of citizen opposition and most of this is unlikely to pass both the House and Senate.
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Well, I'm glad we won't have to put up with any more bullshit like "it doesn't matter who I vote for, both parties are basically the same anyway!" ever again.
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God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


hey it's cool how you're celebrating the demise of government programs designed to help poor people and abused women

even if you're doing it ironically, really, it doesn't matter

because you're a

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Elfbane wrote:
'Everything good' is a bit of hyperbole, but sweet christmas! this looks bad, although I'm sure some of the RSP conservatives will be happy.

Trump team prepares dramatic cuts

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The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

Since Arts & Entertainment is one of the seven major spheres ("mountains") of society that Dominionists aspire to conquer, eliminating non-Dominionist-dominated arts & entertainment is part of the equation of realizing their End-Times agenda as well.


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At the Department of Justice, the blueprint calls for eliminating the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, Violence Against Women Grants....

Now, *that* sounds quite evocative of the Trump administration's counterparts in Russia.


> Excerpts from the January 13, 2017 Right Wing Watch news story by Brian Tashman entitled:

So-Called "Pro-Family" Leaders In Russia Want To Decriminalize Domestic Battery


Yelena Mizulina and Olga Batalina, Russian parliament sponsors of the anti=gay law and of the current bill to decriminalize domestic battery

Two of the so-called “pro-family” lawmakers behind Russia’s ban on “homosexual propaganda” are now behind a bill that would “downgrade assault inside the traditional family unit from a criminal offense to a misdemeanor,” according to a report by Tom Balmforth of Radio Free Europe.

Many U.S. Religious Right activists have become enamored with the Russian leaders behind such “pro-family” policies, claiming that "Russia is leading a resurgence of traditional conservative values in the West."

The bill, Balmforth reports, “is in keeping with the conservative values espoused by President Vladimir Putin and has been protested by anti-domestic abuse activists,” appears to have strong support in the Russian Duma (Parliament).

Olga Batalina, a parliamentarian with Putin’s United Russia party and an author of the bill, is a leader of the so-called “pro-family” movement in Russia and, according to the Associated Press, “championed the law banning the spread of propaganda of ‘nontraditional sexual relations’ among minors,” commonly known as the “Homosexual Propaganda” Ban.

She is a “close ally” of fellow parliamentarian Yelena Mizulina, an author of the anti-gay law and one of its most vocal supporters, and joined with Mizulina in filing a slander lawsuit against a prominent gay rights activist and others for comments they made about the law. Gay Star News noted that Batalina even backed attempts to stop bookstores from selling gay-friendly literature.

Yelena Mizulina, who has ties to American anti-LGBT activists, is another prominent supporter of the legislation, calling the current statutes on domestic violence “absurd.”

President Vladimir Putin appeared to back the bill when he questioned government “interference with the family.”

Many American Religious Right activists have lauded Russia’s “pro-family” laws as a model for the world, and have particularly admired Putin thanks to his crackdown on LGBT Russians. Indeed, this faction’s love for Putin’s homophobia often leads them to either ignore or stay silent about the ways Putin’s government has marginalized non-Russian-Orthodox Christians by outlawing evangelism and backing anti-Protestant militias in Ukraine, his granting of permission for polygamous marriages and the imposition of Sharia law in Chechnya, not to mention his record of crushing dissent and stifling civil rights and democracy.


Yelena Mizulina has known common ties with leaders and members of anti-LGBT U.S. organizations since they're all members of the World Congress of Families (WCF), another right-wing organization with Dominionist-leaning overtones.





For more information, click the following link: How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Create Russia's Anti-Gay Movement


Of course, we already have plenty of anti-domestic abuse activists in the Republican Party as evidenced by their many dissembling definitions by Republicans about what exactly constitutes rape.
































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hey it's cool how you're celebrating the demise of government programs designed to help poor people and abused women

Was that toxic?

No.

Note to self: next BGG.CON, punch Octavian in the nuts for giving people such an easy excuse for hyperventilating about insults instead of addressing the claim that they're celebrating the demise of government programs designed to help poor people and abused women.
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Elfbane wrote:
'Everything good' is a bit of hyperbole, but sweet christmas! this looks bad, although I'm sure some of the RSP conservatives will be happy.

Trump team prepares dramatic cuts
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The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

[...]

The Heritage blueprint used as a basis for Trump’s proposed cuts calls for eliminating several programs that conservatives label corporate welfare programs: the Minority Business Development Agency, the Economic Development Administration, the International Trade Administration and the Manufacturing Extension Partnership. The total savings from cutting these four programs would amount to nearly $900 million in 2017.

At the Department of Justice, the blueprint calls for eliminating the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, Violence Against Women Grants and the Legal Services Corporation and for reducing funding for its Civil Rights and its Environment and Natural Resources divisions.


It's not surprising. Misogynists don't really care about violence against women and racists don't care much for civil rights.

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God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


But $20 billion on a concrete and rebar wall along the border is money well spent. Right, Koldie?
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The actual question, not the rhetorical one, was about the hypothetical response.

You lost me.
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


But $20 billion on a concrete and rebar wall along the border is money well spent. Right, Koldie?


You know more about this fence than anyone, it would seem.

But yes. That is a good start for a temporary border. Hopefully funds would be forthcoming for something more tangible. Mexico could certainly afford to pay that little amount. No sense rubbing it in their noses.


The wall, in reality, would only have to be 1,000 miles long by taking advantage of natural borders, but its height grew during Trump’s campaign from 35-40 foot high, or as high as 50 feet and would be made of pre-cast concrete.

It's a fucking bad idea and a waste of money. It certainly won't stop illegal immigrants from crossing the border. Good luck getting Mexico to pay for it too.

It's interesting that a Mexican cement company offered to help Trump build his wall.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367987-mexican-cement-help-trump-wall...
 
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The actual question, not the rhetorical one, was about the hypothetical response.

You lost me.

You answered a rhetorical question, one which I had already answered, and it would seem we agree.

The real question was about my theoretical response.

Still not understanding what you're saying, other than that you really don't want to talk about whether the government should help abused women.
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


But $20 billion on a concrete and rebar wall along the border is money well spent. Right, Koldie?


You know more about this fence than anyone, it would seem.

But yes. That is a good start for a temporary border. Hopefully funds would be forthcoming for something more tangible. Mexico could certainly afford to pay that little amount. No sense rubbing it in their noses.

You forgot the green ink
 
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So are you all going to just let Koldfoot derail the thread?
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Healthcare for everyone.
 
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Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

Healthcare for everyone.

That's probably Trumpspeak for "Access to healthcare for everyone" which doesn't mean the same thing at all in terms of affordability.


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Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


I guess you have to pay for those massive tax cuts for the rich somehow. At least some folks are dropping the charade about giving a damn about those, as our parents used to say, less fortunate than oneself. Ones true colors manages to peek out at times. Charming spectacle
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Koldfoot wrote:
mrspank wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
mrspank wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


But $20 billion on a concrete and rebar wall along the border is money well spent. Right, Koldie?


You know more about this fence than anyone, it would seem.

But yes. That is a good start for a temporary border. Hopefully funds would be forthcoming for something more tangible. Mexico could certainly afford to pay that little amount. No sense rubbing it in their noses.


The wall, in reality, would only have to be 1,000 miles long by taking advantage of natural borders, but its height grew during Trump’s campaign from 35-40 foot high, or as high as 50 feet and would be made of pre-cast concrete.

It's a fucking bad idea and a waste of money. It certainly won't stop illegal immigrants from crossing the border. Good luck getting Mexico to pay for it too.

It's interesting that a Mexican cement company offered to help Trump build his wall.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367987-mexican-cement-help-trump-wall...


The quickest of google searches reveals 34 billion in fraud waste and abuse in Dept of Homeland Security.

Other than that, I guess I have to keep bringing it up, Clinton's State Dept could not account for 6 billion dollars. And that was portrayed at the time as a trifling amount not worthy of Congress's time. The fact that an investigation was called for was just petty. Chump change.


We should obviously eliminate the DHS then.

We could sell off some of those welfzre states to other countries too. Maybe Mexico will throw in a wall for free if we sell them Alaska.
 
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So are you all going to just let Koldfoot derail the thread?
That you didn't notice that MGK was the actual derailer is part of the problem, unless you were being ironic.
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Koldfoot wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


hey it's cool how you're celebrating the demise of government programs designed to help poor people and abused women

even if you're doing it ironically, really, it doesn't matter

because you're a

good

little

soldier


Was that toxic?

A little name calling, perhaps?

In days of yore I would have not given it much thought and simply responded in kind. Nothing over the top, possibly something like switching over to MSNBC during commercials on Nick Jr. to get his talking points.

In my mind those are similar and fairly equal insults, although I think many would not find his to be toxic in the least and mine over the top.

How would that go over under the new mod?

Would anyone x a comment like that?

XXXX
Even though I fully and wholeheartedly disagree that Trump's cuts are good things on any level, I fully and wholeheartedly agree that the second half of MGKs response was off topic and a personal attack.
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Koldfoot wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
God bless Mr. Trump.

Every hour in the last few days we have had reason to be hopeful and excited.

This though. This is icing on the ice cream cake. And not store bought icing, either. This is icing from a freshly milked cow with entirely too much sugar, with an extra shot of sugar. And not imported sugar, either.


hey it's cool how you're celebrating the demise of government programs designed to help poor people and abused women

even if you're doing it ironically, really, it doesn't matter

because you're a

good

little

soldier


Was that toxic?

A little name calling, perhaps?

In days of yore I would have not given it much thought and simply responded in kind. Nothing over the top, possibly something like switching over to MSNBC during commercials on Nick Jr. to get his talking points.

In my mind those are similar and fairly equal insults, although I think many would not find his to be toxic in the least and mine over the top.

How would that go over under the new mod?

Would anyone x a comment like that?

XXXX
Even though I fully and wholeheartedly disagree that Trumps cuts are good things on any level, I fully and wholeheartedly agree that the second half of MGKs response was off topic and a personal attack.


A guy celebrating the fact the poor and abused women are being cut off from one of the dwindling resources they have to turn to suffers a mild rebuke and you seem to be upset about that rebuke. Interesting concept BTW, who made you Hall Monitor anyway
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I don't know how the majority of white women vote for a party that routinely makes inappropriate and reprehensible comments about rape. That website has literally HUNDREDS of quotes from misogynistic Republicans.
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A guy celebrating the fact the poor and abused women are being cut off from one of the dwindling resources they have to turn to suffers a mild rebuke and you seem to be upset about that rebuke.
Do you know for a fact that Koldfoot doesn't think that there are better ways to address the problem than that particular program? You don't see that accusing him of blindly following orders isn't offensive to someone who thinks that they form their own opinions?

I don't agree with Koldfoot at all, but I'm not going to get emotional and accuse him of gleefully torturing poor, abused women. That is what baiting is. Instead of asking Koldfoot what his proposed alternative is, MGK (and I assume you) accuse him of the worst motives. I'm afraid that is pretty close to "toxic".

EDIT: and now that I have written that, I realize I was wrong about MGK's post. It wasn't just the second half that was a personal attack, the whole post was.
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I don't know how the majority of white women vote for a party that routinely makes inappropriate and reprehensible comments about rape. That website has literally HUNDREDS of quotes from misogynistic Republicans.


Although I agree with you, I also believe in freedom of association and having to deal with the outcomes to the decisions you make.

And I preface that philosophy to apply to those with the power to make those decisions; those forcibly or without any other practical options, don't deserve the outcome.

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A guy celebrating the fact the poor and abused women are being cut off from one of the dwindling resources they have to turn to suffers a mild rebuke and you seem to be upset about that rebuke.
Do you know for a fact that Koldfoot doesn't think that there are better ways to address the problem than that particular program? You don't see that accusing him of blindly following orders isn't offensive to someone who thinks that they form their own opinions?

I don't agree with Koldfoot at all, but I'm not going to get emotional and accuse him of gleefully torturing poor, abused women. That is what baiting is. Instead of asking Koldfoot what his proposed alternative is, MGK (and I assume you) accuse him of the worst motives. I'm afraid that is pretty close to "toxic".

EDIT: and now that I have written that, I realize I was wrong about MGK's post. It wasn't just the second half that was a personal attack, the whole post was.


I do agree with you in some part, but you know Koldfoot's shtick - he just brings the accelerant and hopes to find a source.
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