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...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?
 
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col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?
I've seen no evidence that he actively practices religion and from his history it doesn't seem like he makes any attempt to follow Christian morals or ethics as I understand them. When he says it, it seems ceremonial to me.
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col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?


When asked about the Bible Trump could not remember a single verse. So he may be religious and he may be Christian but he does not read the Bible and when asked he said he had nothing to repent about and and gave a strong impression that he felt he was without sin and did not need God's forgiveness.

As far as the oath. I have no clue. They might drop it if they elect an atheist. It's going to be a long time before they elect a Hindu or Muslim. It will be out of even longer before they elect am atheist. I'm not sure if an Orthodox Jewish person would have issues saying those words. No she would have to come in on an Orthodox Jewish person would have issues saying those words. Moshe would have to come in on that.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof


I'm surprised we haven't had an executive order doing so yet. whistle
 
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TheChin! wrote:
col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?
I've seen no evidence that he actively practices religion and from his history it doesn't seem like he makes any attempt to follow Christian morals or ethics as I understand them. When he says it, it seems ceremonial to me.


He claims to be:

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"I think people are shocked when they find out that I am Christian, that I am a religious person," Trump writes in "Great Again," a book published during the presidential campaign. "They see me with all the surroundings of wealth, so they sometimes don't associate that with being religious. That's not accurate."
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Ignoring for the moment the unlikelihood of it happening (being elected, taking that action) it's a racing certainty that before the new President had left the podium there would be an eruption of claims that he or she was not the legal President. The court case might take very slightly longer to start.
 
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Today on French version of the frontpage for Wikipedia I discovered this:

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Some presidents of the United States, such as John Quincy Adams, Theodore Roosevelt or Lyndon B. Johnson haven't sworn on the Bible.


I had already heard that in the US the oath was mandatory but the nature of the book was decided by the person but I though it was a theory and everybody had always sworn on the Bible.
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Merkel´s predecessor as Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, was the first and so far only German Chancellor to omit that part in his oath. The sky has yet to fall. Of course it´s a different game in the USA, but still.
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1. "so help me God" is not part of the oath - see U.S.Const. Art. II, Section 1, paragraph 8. George Washington added that on his own and subsequent Presidents have followed his practice.
2. The Constitution specifically allows the President to affirm rather than swear.
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actuaryesquire wrote:
1. "so help me God" is not part of the oath - see U.S.Const. Art. II, Section 1, paragraph 8. George Washington added that on his own and subsequent Presidents have followed his practice.
2. The Constitution specifically allows the President to affirm rather than swear.


And affirmation is for more than just atheists. Quakers for example do not swear oaths.
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actuaryesquire wrote:
1. "so help me God" is not part of the oath - see U.S.Const. Art. II, Section 1, paragraph 8. George Washington added that on his own and subsequent Presidents have followed his practice.
2. The Constitution specifically allows the President to affirm rather than swear.


Thanks.
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maxo-texas wrote:
col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?


When asked about the Bible Trump could not remember a single verse.


It would have been ironically awesome if he quoted Mark 10:25.
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actuaryesquire wrote:
1. "so help me God" is not part of the oath - see U.S.Const. Art. II, Section 1, paragraph 8. George Washington added that on his own and subsequent Presidents have followed his practice.
2. The Constitution specifically allows the President to affirm rather than swear.
So, then 'moi' would have "sworn" OATH affirmly upon: "Thesaurus for DUMMIES" whistle
 
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col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?


This country requires at least a pretense of faith to get elected. Trump's religious is Trump.
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col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?

Since the Teavangelicals of the Religious Far Right made themselves the go-to faction of the Republican Party for Trump -- offering him an ideological lifeboat of sorts to keep his political viability afloat -- Donald Trump is beholden to them and at times attempts to display an aura of religiosity because he's playing political chameleon and trying to blend in with that faction.

Unfortunately, however, the Teavangelicals of the Religious Far Right are dominated by both Dominionists and Christian Supremacists. I very much doubt that Donald Trump knows what they're genuinely about. In either case, they ingratiated themselves not only into his inner circle but the Dominionists now control his administration.

So, it would take a political divorce of sorts for him to untangle himself from their tentacles.


 
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mrspank wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
col_w wrote:
...if a president who was not Christian was being sworn in, would they omit this bit, or replace it with something else.

Do you think Trump is actually religious, or pretending? What about previous presidents?


When asked about the Bible Trump could not remember a single verse.


It would have been ironically awesome if he quoted Mark 10:25.


That would be rich!
 
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