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Subject: So... Where did the correlation between 'neck beards' and KDM originate? rss

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John Harder
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Genuinely curious.
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JohnTheMigrant wrote:
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It was me. My neckbeard extends a full nine inches from my chin and I shaved KDM into it. All the pictures were mysteriously destroyed, though. I'm not sure why. Then I got a cease and desist order from Poots. I guess he didn't like my narrative sculpture idea and game philosophy of Neckbeardism. Oh well. I'll house rule it and post it here on the website. That way nobody misses out on epic neckbearding.


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This makes me want to sculpt some beards on my survivors. There's no reason they can't be a stout Amish community...
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"This is a really weird game, and you’ll find that most people will not want to play this."
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Do I need to post the Geek & Sundry article for folks? OK, you asked for it:

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If you want to know which gaming group to avoid, it's the ones that bring out kingdom death. With the majority of models being anime waifu, ridiculously proportioned women in everyone's favourite nonfunctional armour. And while you may ask what's wrong with that, the article neglects to mention the tentacle rape tit monster with pregnant attendants, a vomiting toad breast monster with its pinup model girls worshipping it, and penis headed gods. While those are cringe worthy on their own, it's when you get down to actually playing the game where it's little more than a creepy shut ins rape and torture strewn homebred RPG. I find it hard to believe there's so many "positive" comments about this game. Then again I've not seen a single girl say she loves the game and it's creepy, neckbeards-wet-dream setting.
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Haha G&S is trash, and has been for a long, long time.
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fightcitymayor wrote:
Do I need to post the Geek & Sundry article for folks? OK, you asked for it:


Are you quoting someone else quoting it, because I can't find the original source where they say that, but I -can- find someone else saying they said that (not saying either one of you are lying, just wondering if G&S have since taken that down since they seem to really to like it now).
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fightcitymayor wrote:
Do I need to post the Geek & Sundry article for folks? OK, you asked for it:

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If you want to know which gaming group to avoid, it's the ones that bring out kingdom death. With the majority of models being anime waifu, ridiculously proportioned women in everyone's favourite nonfunctional armour. And while you may ask what's wrong with that, the article neglects to mention the tentacle rape tit monster with pregnant attendants, a vomiting toad breast monster with its pinup model girls worshipping it, and penis headed gods. While those are cringe worthy on their own, it's when you get down to actually playing the game where it's little more than a creepy shut ins rape and torture strewn homebred RPG. I find it hard to believe there's so many "positive" comments about this game. Then again I've not seen a single girl say she loves the game and it's creepy, neckbeards-wet-dream setting.


To be fair, the Wet Nurse would be an awful introduction to Kingdom Death. When I first saw it years ago, I was rather offput. Now that I know more about the lore (and now that I'm less of a prude) (and after I fell in love with Berserk), and knowing the game is becoming more balanced in sexualization, it really doesn't bother me.

I am intrigued to know if Adam had some designs in mind to expose our cultural views on the body o simply because he thought they looked cool.
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What a bizarrely ignorant and hateful comment. I'm not even sure who it's appealing to. Is there some class of jock-type that favors games but needs to segregate themselves from some sub-class of nerd that's unacceptably nerdy? I had to google "waifu". I have no idea what camp that places me in...
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To give you a fairly serious and not politically charged answer, it came from before the game was even a thing. Kingdom Death, the miniatures range, was a series of products sold for and bought by miniatures painters. Miniatures painters have beards. I mean really, beards are like freaking omnipresent in this hobby. Probably a side effect to overexposure to acrylic paints.

If you don't believe me, go to your local hobby store during a miniatures game tournament (Warhammer 40K / Sigmar, Warmachine, Malifaux, Infinity, Guild Ball, etc) and count the beards. At least half the participants will have one, and probably close to 3/4ths.
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So the comment quoted above was posted on facebook as a response to a G&S article: https://m.facebook.com/geekandsundry/posts/1156840121035113, not by G&S themselves. That said, I stand by my opinion that they are awful.
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Ah, so it's just randos on the internet being hateful? Let me go find my shocked face, hold on a minute...
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That comment is talking about the pinup models - which are explicitly promotional material that don't actually have a part in the game. I can count exactly one females mini in the base game (out of 32?) That is maybe slightly sexual because her breasts are out. But that's not even inherently sexual.
And as for the "tentacle rape monster"... That's not even what the Wet Nurse is. And regarding "penis headed gods", also non-game material, and completely fitting with the theme of body horror.
If these are the complaints, then that guy must /hate/ Alien. Sexualized female characters, heads that look like phalusses, facehuggers that are actual legitimate rape monsters...
 
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So now we're trying to stir up controversy based on some random Facebook comment from 8 months ago?

I guess people really want some way to pass the time until Poots posts an update...
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That G&S post makes KDM sound like FATAL.
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And regarding the "rape and torture" comment
There is no rape in the game. Not by survivors, not by monsters, not even in the expanded lore. For fucks sake, the intimacy event specifies "two consenting survivors."
There is no torture controlled by the players. There is a murder event - also not roleplayed, not done by choice - and a few this similar to that, but those aren't the same thing.
It sounds to me like this guy heard about the game from someone who heard about the game from someone who heard about the game from a radfem website.
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Also, that G&S article is suuuuper positive about the game, idk where you got the impression it wasnt.
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This is bull... Oh wait I have a neckbeard and love KDM... whistle
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KevBelisle wrote:

So now we're trying to stir up controversy based on some random Facebook comment from 8 months ago?

I guess people really want some way to pass the time until Poots posts an update...


Agreed, not even sure why the person posting it here felt it was necessary to do so, other than to be a [The-T-Word-You're-Not-Allowed-To-Use-On-BGG].
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To give you a fairly serious and not politically charged answer, it came from before the game was even a thing. Kingdom Death, the miniatures range, was a series of products sold for and bought by miniatures painters. Miniatures painters have beards. I mean really, beards are like freaking omnipresent in this hobby. Probably a side effect to overexposure to acrylic paints.

If you don't believe me, go to your local hobby store during a miniatures game tournament (Warhammer 40K / Sigmar, Warmachine, Malifaux, Infinity, Guild Ball, etc) and count the beards. At least half the participants will have one, and probably close to 3/4ths.


Yea... No
That is a stereotype. Our local tournies are full of married men and popular guys. The only guy with a beard has a bikie beard. Not a neckbeard or Fedora to be seen
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This is bull... Oh wait I have a neckbeard and love KDM... whistle
HEY! I resemble that remark!
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The question 'why does it have this rep' is fair, especially if someone is new to kingdom death. Seems like a genuine inquiry and not stirring up trouble, and there are good responses here.

As mentioned above, that is an uninformed view of the game and it's community... uninformed and opinionated.

Confessions:
I love KDM, I am a radfem, but I have a very, very, nice beard. Like, luxurious. Lets crush that OP stereotype!
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I wouldn't say uninformed, as there certainly was more than a grain of truth that many years ago that the minis were tailored towards a smaller niche audience that, stereotype and hyperbole aside, wasn't exactly feminist. Thus, "hauls a box of KD minis around everywhere" and "has some unpleasant opinions about / behaviors around women" having at least some statistical correlation was, for a while, an accurate observation.

It's certainly less the case now, and the quote is more negative than is perhaps deserved, plus there's a difference between buying a $[hundreds] set of minis because there's a really neat game you can play with them versus solely because you want to look at them a lot (because... yeah.) And at the end of the day it is still stereotyping, so you know, regardless of where it came from, I wouldn't prejudge folks with an interest in KD:M now.
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One way we could helpfully fight this stereotype is to police our community for creeps and misogynists and call them out on their creepy misogyny. Also, we can help each other avoid the appearance of creepy misogyny, giving and receiving advice on our behavior without being offended or insulting.
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I wouldn't say uninformed, as there certainly was more than a grain of truth that many years ago that the minis were tailored towards a smaller niche audience that, stereotype and hyperbole aside, wasn't exactly feminist. Thus, "hauls a box of KD minis around everywhere" and "has some unpleasant opinions about / behaviors around women" having at least some statistical correlation was, for a while, an accurate observation.

It's certainly less the case now, and the quote is more negative than is perhaps deserved, plus there's a difference between buying a $[hundreds] set of minis because there's a really neat game you can play with them versus solely because you want to look at them a lot (because... yeah.) And at the end of the day it is still stereotyping, so you know, regardless of where it came from, I wouldn't prejudge folks with an interest in KD:M now.


Honestly, when I first saw KD years ago, I thought something along those lines, but it has matured a lot since then. That was when the game was still in development, and the forefront was 'Behind the Wall' and 'Wet Nurse'.
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