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Take an extreme situation. The German just rolls initiative for his 3 sections, uses no Command Cards. The Soviets on their turn reveal 3 Counterattacks from the chip.

The Soviets have to assign one card to each section, lose their chance at initiative rolls, and miss their turn?
 
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1) A team/player always has to play one card.

2) You can play counter attack cards from your hand, so what possible reason would you have for putting three under the Commissar?
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Take an extreme situation. The German just rolls initiative for his 3 sections, uses no Command Cards. The Soviets on their turn reveal 3 Counterattacks from the chip.

The Soviets have to assign one card to each section, lose their chance at initiative rolls, and miss their turn?

Did you even bother checking in on the other thread you started about Counter-attacks and the commissar chip?

As stated above (and in the other thread), there is little reason to play a Counter Attack card under the chip - especially all 3. So if the Russian CinC were foolish enough to do this, he would play all 3 CA cards, have nothing to counter, and draw his cards to end the turn.
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The reason I see to place Counterattacks under the chip is to make the German think that he wouldn't dare do it. Then the German hopefully plays some heavy cards, then the Soviets counterattack.

Hopefully the German drops three heavy cards lulled into a false sense of security, like activating all of one type, or 4 units, that sort of thing. Then the Soviets spoil the party. The could have kept them in the hand, but putting under the chip could draw out the good cards all at once from the Germans

I have played the double board Kursk a few times, and have a group that is good at bluffing
 
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How would the German team have any idea what cards the Russian had in either hand or deck until they were played?
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If the Soviets play 3 Counterattack under the Chip, then the Germans on their turn know that those cards must come out on the Soviets' next turn, and a crazy idea to have all Counterattacks. This would encourage the Germans to go heavy with their cards, if they had a lot of heavy cards. Just a thought
 
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conedguy wrote:
If the Soviets play 3 Counterattack under the Chip, then the Germans on their turn know that those cards must come out on the Soviets' next turn, and a crazy idea to have all Counterattacks. This would encourage the Germans to go heavy with their cards, if they had a lot of heavy cards. Just a thought

The cards under the chip are played face down. the Germans don't know what the cards are.

The point of committing the cards is the Russian is forced to think ahead a turn and commit cards before he knows the situation. It is not to let the Germans peek early into what the Russian is actually going to play.
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I know they go facedown. The point is the Germans see 3 cards under the chip, assume the Soviet player would not dare put 3 Counterattack cards, and thinks that he can safely play 3 heavy cards. It invites the German to play heavy, and then get hit by a comprehensive counterattack
 
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conedguy wrote:
I know they go facedown. The point is the Germans see 3 cards under the chip, assume the Soviet player would not dare put 3 Counterattack cards, and thinks that he can safely play 3 heavy cards. It invites the German to play heavy, and then get hit by a comprehensive counterattack

It seems a poor play as it could potentially backfire big time as your edge cases keep showing.

The point is that the Russian can always play Counter-attacks direct from hand in lieu of the cards under the chip. So you as a Russian are still better served to keep these cards in hand. If the German does go big, then forgo what you have under the chip and play CAs direct from hand. If he doesn't go big, then you aren't committed to counter attack and potentially waste your turn with CAs that can't do anything, or do something ineffective.

It is a big gamble that isn't needed since the reward you are seeking can be had with less risk.
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Okay...even then, that logic would only apply to an instance where your hand is so depleted that the cards under the chip were the only ones you could legally play. That is a fairly abnormal meta where you are that worried about counterattack that you all pass up good opportunities; and, I would also argue, that is bad strategy, in that the person with the better cards/position is surrendering initiative to the weaker team.

But yeah, if you elect to stack three counterattack cards, and have nothing to counterattack, you essentially lose your turn and cards.
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conedguy wrote:
I know they go facedown. The point is the Germans see 3 cards under the chip, assume the Soviet player would not dare put 3 Counterattack cards, and thinks that he can safely play 3 heavy cards. It invites the German to play heavy, and then get hit by a comprehensive counterattack

It seems a poor play as it could potentially backfire big time as your edge cases keep showing.

The point is that the Russian can always play Counter-attacks direct from hand in lieu of the cards under the chip. So you as a Russian are still better served to keep these cards in hand. If the German does go big, then forgo what you have under the chip and play CAs direct from hand. If he doesn't go big, then you aren't committed to counter attack and potentially waste your turn with CAs that can't do anything, or do something ineffective.

It is a big gamble that isn't needed since the reward you are seeking can be had with less risk.


Additionally, if your opponent refuses to play good cards because he thinks you have a counterattack in hand, best move is to keep bluffing him from playing those cards; if he goes the whole game without playing TFH, etc., advantage you.
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