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This is a spin-off of what viclineal said here https://boardgamegeek.com/article/25011497#25011497

The question is pretty simple: If there were a return to Naziism in your country, would you belong to one of the groups who would be sent to the camps (Jews, Roma, homosexuals, etc)?

If not, do you see how this might skew your perspective of things heavily?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

For reference.

Probably not, though leftists and socialists did get rounded up on occasion, on a racial basis I might be OK, I'm partially non-white, but Hitler declared Japanese and Chinese to be "the Aryans of asia" or something like that, obviously for political reasons. Who knows if modern Nazis hold the same opinions.

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That said there is a really good chance I would end up dead or in a camp of some kind at some point regardless as I don't tend to be the kind of person to hold my political or moral opinions to myself and while I would do everything I could within the law for as long as that was effective after a certain point you would have to go beyond what's legal in order to do what's moral.
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Dumbest way to phrase this thought basically ever.

But sure. I am a huge, landowning, straight(ish) white guy. I'd probably have been a nazi (based mostly on my watching the man in the high tower.)

My personal philosophy (after too many holiday's arguing with my sister about how hard it could be to be a woman) is "don't tell little people how to feel." I'm not scared of much now (I was bullied a crap ton as a child and called all sorts of fun things.) But other people can be if they want.

Though if the gotcha is "they should be scared of trump turning the usa into a nazi state" I'll probably break my policy and tell whoever is saying it that they're a moron. (Though I may have given up on this already.)
 
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Though if the gotcha is "they should be scared of trump turning the usa into a nazi state" I'll probably break my policy and tell whoever is saying it that they're a moron. (Though I may have given up on this already.)


The point isn't to get you to believe that Trump specifically is going to do anything. Trump does bring up the specter of this, but the point of the poll is to say: try to understand why some things might make other people more nervous than they make you.
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Clairebot wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:

Though if the gotcha is "they should be scared of trump turning the usa into a nazi state" I'll probably break my policy and tell whoever is saying it that they're a moron. (Though I may have given up on this already.)


The point isn't to get you to believe that Trump specifically is going to do anything. Trump does bring up the specter of this, but the point of the poll is to say: try to understand why some things might make other people more nervous than they make you.


It's a good point that more people probably need to think about.

Though you must have seen some level of that nervousness turned into slightly ridiculous hysteria, in some places, too?
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scifiantihero wrote:

Though you must have seen some level of that nervousness turned into slightly ridiculous hysteria, in some places, too?


Assuming we're talking about Trump: personally? At points I've worried there wasn't enough hysteria considering what Trump has said he intends to do and the kinds of people he is surrounding himself with.

I think he absolutely would do horrific things if given half a chance, but I'm a lot less nervous now than I was a few weeks ago because it looks like there is enough opposition to Trump to keep him from doing those things. Keeping in mind that I belong to a group fairly likely to have bad things done to if the shit hits the fan.
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Koldfoot wrote:
If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


I know it's kind of hard but would it really take that much effort to pretend you have some human decency left?
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If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


I know it's kind of hard but would it really take that much effort to pretend you have some human decency left?


Doesn't "left" mean there was some there once?
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If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


Ah yes the old "it could be worse, don't worry about what's happening in your own backyard" argument. I've been shown the error of my ways and converted to conservatism multiple times already with this one.

Also if you don't think my concern is sincere you can go fuck yourself Koldie.
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Koldfoot wrote:
If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


Ah, the "You don't like H'America, then git the fuuck out" play. Gotcha.

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Last name Keiser. 50% German. Dark hair, facial structure ready for whatever high-ranking Officer position that needs to be filled. Unfortunately, I'll also follow in Stauffenberg's footsteps, but I'll try to plan it a bit better (room w/o flimsy windows).

Either way, I suspect that I'll be hunted down and shot for treason.

But, please know that I tried.

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pretty sure the Nazis would not be pleased with my "punch Nazis" stance despite me ticking most of their other demographical likes
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pretty sure the Nazis would not be pleased with my "punch Nazis" stance despite me ticking most of their other demographical likes


Shit, they make exceptions all the time. Emil Maurice was with Hitler most of the time, and he was a Mischling.
 
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I'd be in the first group rounded up and shot - you know the ones that had the ternacity to actual opose their rise to power and fight them in the streets.

Eg. When Rsp conservatives get their way and make punching a nazi treason and or a capital crime , if your not a white guy exercising your 2nd amendment rights
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As far as being a member of a group being rounded up in 1930's-1940's Germany... I doubt I would have been included.


I think the real question should be... how far would you go to stand up for/enforce what you believe in?

What would you do to stop or defend a group of people from being persecuted?

Would you take a life, or risk losing your life, livelihood, family, house or possessions?
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Koldfoot wrote:
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If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


Ah yes the old "it could be worse, don't worry about what's happening in your own backyard" argument. I've been shown the error of my ways and converted to conservatism multiple times already with this one.

Also if you don't think my concern is sincere you can go fuck yourself Koldie.


Oh it's not sincere.

You have fear of a concentration camp?

No. If you lived near a Somali or Syrian refugee camp you would have legitimate fear for your life. Some of those same refugees are lbgt and are *literally* dying to get to America where they can finally feel safe.

Most other places in the world you would live in real fear from the government. Not here. You are over dramatic. At least if you want people to take you seriously, you should reassess your drama level.


I think it's incredibly ugly that you use the suffering of refugees as a bludgeon to try to silence people's criticism of trump as "NOT AS BAD AS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING SO SHUT UP WHINER" while at the same time vigorously applauding Trump making those exact refugees lives as bad as possible for no reason other than "oh no brown people."
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Koldfoot wrote:
If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


I know it's kind of hard but would it really take that much effort to pretend you have some human decency left?


Doesn't "left" mean there was some there once?


Ooooooo.

Two toxic users to call out at once here.

What did I say, in your minds, that warranted such a harsh response?

Disagreement with you constitutes not having any human decency?

But that can't be it. I posted nothing that you could possibly quibble with.

It must just be that you find truth to infringe upon your safe space. Even so, is that a reason to make personal, derogatory comments?

Unbridled hysteria can't be pointed out as unbridled hysteria because it hurts feelings? Is that what the vague new moderation rule is?

For the record, I intended to hurt no feelings. In fact I t's pretty clear when I do intend to hurt feelings. This wasn't one of those times.

In the old days I would have noted your insults and topped them. You would have received a ton of sympathy thumbs from the liberal toxic users and felt really good about it. But it would have been clear who won the exchange. I still think that was the best system. It was fun. You never understood how toxic you were, I have very little faith you ever will. Pointing it out is not nearly as interesting as coming up with a good reply that draws tears.

But here we are. The boring era of rsp. But bigots and libs can feel safe with their hate. No fear whatsoever of a likeminded reply. You asked for it, I'll play along. But for the record, I could have left both of you in tears.


Really I was just riffing on your first reply to the OP. I'll admit, though, it wasn't really worth it.

For the record though, what would you have said to leave me in tears? For science.
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Oh it's not sincere.

You have fear of a concentration camp?

No. If you lived near a Somali or Syrian refugee camp you would have legitimate fear for your life. Some of those same refugees are lbgt and are *literally* dying to get to America where they can finally feel safe.

Most other places in the world you would live in real fear from the government. Not here. You are over dramatic. At least if you want people to take you seriously, you should reassess your drama level.


Well, good thing we've banned those people from entering the country. Dying to get it, living in fear of government. So ban 'em.
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Koldfoot wrote:
What did I say, in your minds, that warranted such a harsh response?


It was this by the way:

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If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are
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Koldfoot wrote:
If you really were concerned, and I don't believe you are, you could move to a more enlightened country. Iran comes to mind. They are solidly anti Trump. Virtually anywhere in Africa, Eastern European might work, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc etc, Latin America, we are told most of the globe Opposes Trump. The rise in violence against lbgt in Western Europe has gone up hundreds of percent since the welcome mat was placed for the refugees of Trump's seven nations. Perhaps you would feel safer there?


Ah yes the old "it could be worse, don't worry about what's happening in your own backyard" argument. I've been shown the error of my ways and converted to conservatism multiple times already with this one.

Also if you don't think my concern is sincere you can go fuck yourself Koldie.


Oh it's not sincere.

You have fear of a concentration camp?

No. If you lived near a Somali or Syrian refugee camp you would have legitimate fear for your life. Some of those same refugees are lbgt and are *literally* dying to get to America where they can finally feel safe.

Most other places in the world you would live in real fear from the government. Not here. You are over dramatic. At least if you want people to take you seriously, you should reassess your drama level.


I think it's incredibly ugly that you use the suffering of refugees as a bludgeon to try to silence people's criticism of trump as "NOT AS BAD AS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING SO SHUT UP WHINER" while at the same time vigorously applauding Trump making those exact refugees lives as bad as possible for no reason other than "oh no brown people."


This whole thread was started to leverage the suffering and dying of millions to prove a point. It's the whole point of this conversation...
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I disagree. The thread is a check to see how many people here in RSP know that they are in groups who they know from history would get a star or triangle and be put to death so spencer can have the white country he's talking about at his meetings.

It looks like about 40/60 right now.
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Trump is no Adolf Hitler.

Hitler was able to fool all of Europe, the U.S., and Russia.

Trump can't even fool his own cabinet.
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I disagree. The thread is a check to see how many people here in RSP know that they are in groups who they know from history would get a star or triangle and be put to death so spencer can have the white country he's talking about at his meetings.

It looks like about 40/60 right now.


The point is basically to say "don't tell the people who are going to die if history takes a dark turn to stop being hysterical, as the stakes are a lot higher for them."

The other point being made basically is "'Murica, love it or leave it. *bald eagle cry* *fireworks*"
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