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Frikin u-roes...

the table has numbers greater than 4 so it seems not to denote # players in one area and VP in the other.

Ways to get VPs are scattered thru the rules. stupid stupid stupid writers... is there a list put together somewhere?
 
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That table is ONLY for points scored by completing an area of the same colour.

It's actually very simple. You can get points the following ways:

1. Trade goods. You get ONE silverling, plus 2-4 points per tile (depending on no of players)
2. Build a watchtower - 4VPs
3. Complete an area of the same colour. You get:
a. 1-36 VPs depending on size (bigger is better - this is the table you're referring to), PLUS
b. 10-2 VPs depending on the current phase (earlier is better)
4. Complete all hexes of one colour on your board, and taking a bonus tile (1st and 2nd to do so get bonus tiles)
5. VPs for remaining money and resources
6. VPs for game-end yellow tiles.
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That's what I'm looking for.

but "plus 2-4 points per tile (depending on no of players)" -- is vague. "2-4 per" sounds like its variable in some random way. Do they mean
2 points if 2 players
3 points if 3 players
4 points if 4 players

So why is the VP chart RIGHT NEXT to the goods sale area? That seems to connect it to sale of goods. Also, a numeral inside a gold disk seems to indicate money, and money is in "silverlings."

And why does it go up to 8 hexes/region? Looking at the chart without being TOLD what it does, one cannot logically figure out its function since 8 makes no sense.

Is 'silverling' a German word for something? Otherwise too cutesy, want to vomit.
 
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Maybe try reading the rules, where all the scoring is clearly explained, instead of discerning them from the illustrations on the player mats?

And, a 'silverling' was a small silver coin. Also known as a Shekel. And, yes, the word is Old German in origin.
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Gronak wrote:

And why does it go up to 8 hexes/region? Looking at the chart without being TOLD what it does, one cannot logically figure out its function since 8 makes no sense.


Try looking at all the player boards, that came with the game - and not just the standard board #1. On those you'll find at least one board with an area of size 8.
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Gronak wrote:
Frikin u-roes...

the table has numbers greater than 4 so it seems not to denote # players in one area and VP in the other.

Ways to get VPs are scattered thru the rules. stupid stupid stupid writers... is there a list put together somewhere?


Almost all the scoring is explained on pages 8 and 9 except for the few knowledge tiles that provide scoring at the end of the game (those are explained on page 11). Animals are explained on page 6, and the Watchtower is explained on page 7.

You should read the rulebook.
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Gronak wrote:


So why is the VP chart RIGHT NEXT to the goods sale area? That seems to connect it to sale of goods. Also, a numeral inside a gold disk seems to indicate money, and money is in "silverlings."

A numeral inside a gold disk is VPs I believe.

What made you acquire this game? Sounds like you are already not liking it
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Decent Euro, but the rulebook design is atrocious, also typical of Euro games. Not index, not in an outline format -- rules for something (like scoring) are not set out and together.

I hate "stream of consciousness" rulebooks. You cannot formulate a question and goto the section where the answer is.
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Just about everything you've posted in this thread seems to indicate that you set out predisposed, and maybe even determined, to hate the game, Dan.

Perhaps you'll have more luck with similar games, in the future, if you adjust your mindset.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Just about everything you've posted in this thread seems to indicate that you set out predisposed, and maybe even determined, to hate the game, Dan.

Perhaps you'll have more luck with similar games, in the future, if you adjust your mindset.

It's gronak.
 
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dmoser22 wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Just about everything you've posted in this thread seems to indicate that you set out predisposed, and maybe even determined, to hate the game, Dan.

Perhaps you'll have more luck with similar games, in the future, if you adjust your mindset.

It's gronak.

I guess that's meant to mean something to me.
 
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I agree that the rules about victory points are a bit tricky to grock directly from the rule book. We spent quite some time going through the player boards looking for an area with 8 spaces, to make sure we were interpreting the rules and table correctly. The information is indeed all there, but it's spreadout throughout the rule book. Given that it's a 'point-salad' game (as is typical for Feld), it could really benefit from a final summary of all the ways VPs can be earned. It takes a little more 'deciphering' than a good rule book should.

Having said that. Great game!!
 
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