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So for those who don't know, last week one of the legends of the New York Knickerbockers, Charles Oakley, got in a physical confrontation with the owner of the team James Dolan. Oakley has been openly critical of the ownership and management in the media, simply wanting them to care about winning and restoring some pride to a franchise he loves. Well, he saw Dolan, started jawing and wouldn't stop, security came to escort him out of the building, and Oak shed about twenty years and fended off about five security guards before he was finally subdued. Got arrested, as I suppose he should have. But public sentiment was clearly on his side. After all, the team stinks and the owner is none to popular with the fans.

So the next day, the team releases a statement saying that they hope Oakley gets the help he needs. Implying.....? And they didn't just stop there. The owner got on the team's radio station and said Oakley may have a problem with alcohol. May? You go in public with a statement like that on a "may?" Well, Oakley took great umbrage, and after a meeting with the league commissioner and one of the owners in the league whose name happens to be Michael Jordan, Dolan issued a behind-closed-doors apology. But nothing public yet. Those statements... just still hanging out there.

I bring that up here to compare things to Trump and how they have done things in the past. As a businessman, he would just bandy about statements about how his businesses were the most successful and the classiest, blah blah blah. And if you didn't go along with it, if you stood up to him, he'd threaten to sue.

On the campaign trail, the Trump moment I most remember was because it centered on Utah. Romney had just come out saying he couldn't support Trump and would not support him, and Trump had a scheduled fundraiser in Utah a couple of days later. In his talk, he went to the James Dolan tack. "Is Romney really a Mormon? Do we really even know?" Didn't come out and say he wasn't, just asked people to not think of a pink elephant. Of course, if there's anyone who knows a Mormon, it's another Mormon. That did NOT go over well and almost led to a third party insurrection in the state.

And now we see the ninth circuit court. The ruling didn't go the way he wanted, so what did he do? Threaten to sue, to take it through the courts. Except... this isn't some mom-and-pop operation who doesn't have the financial wherewithal to take on a lawsuit and the costs accompanied. This is the US government. They've kind of got some funds behind them. And they aren't easily bullied. And oh yeah, they are being watched like never before. So Trump... backs down.

So that brings me to the mindset of the wealthy and arrogant. Is this commonplace, the act of just showboating your way through any sort of difficulty simply because you surround yourself with people who won't tell you "no?" And what will happen as Trump realizes that his formerly tried-and-true tactics are not going to stand up to the scrutiny that he is under? Does he learn and adapt? Does he lash out further and become even more erratic? Does he outsource some of his policies to actual politicians who know how DC works? I just was listening to sports radio on the way home, heard about how Dolan handled his business, and I couldn't keep from drawing parallels with Trump. With Dolan, there is talk of the team hosting a Charles Oakley Appreciation night. But I suspect the owner wouldn't have the sense to stay out of the spotlight and will just make things about him. And with Trump... is there any scenario anybody sees where he manages to right the ship and regain some sense of stability and dignity to the office? Or is he simply condemned to be who he is and won't be able to get out of his own way?
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You ask some good questions.

Is this sort of behavior commonplace? I dunno. I mean, I do hear stories and examples of it, but anecdote isn't the plural of data. But there is a certain logic to the idea that people who are rich and therefore powerful DO acquire a certain superior, "it's my way" attitude reinforced by "Yes, Mr. X" sycophants.

On Trump specifically... well, I don't know how often 70 year olds change the habits of a lifetime.
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I think the campaign trail has shown us that he's incapable of change and incapable of taking the high road. He couldn't stay off of Twitter for two weeks. He will continue to let no slight, perceived or real, go unanswered and it will be the undoing of him.

Hopefully it won't be the undoing of the US as a whole.

That's if the Russian election hacking thing doesn't get him first.
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I think that's, "Data isn't the plural of anecdote."

Power and wealth can corrupt, but they don't necessarily. Example: Warren Buffett. I don't think wealth or power necessarily leads to any particular psychology.

But, I agree with Wendell that 70 year olds aren't typically that mentally flexible, and not when they're invested in the idea that how they operate is successful. Successful people very often lose sight of the limits of their success and think they can be successful in anything.

Seen these? mb mb Trump is clearly on the right. He's a control freak in a position where he cannot possibly control everything--really, almost anything. It bugs him when he loses control, and he wants to pretend things are in his control when they aren't.

The basic way he deals with people is pretty apparent. All that matters is him.

You might want to read an article or two about his history. Interesting. Wikipedia is a start, and the NY Times, which is his hometown newspaper.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I think that's, "Data isn't the plural of anecdote."


FAKE NEWS! Uh, well, it was late...
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Pretty happy that the heavily red state of Utah and your fellow states people recognize this guy for what he is, a fraud who is recklessly breaking the law at every turn. Treason seems like a charge worth investigating.

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Certainly some powerful people behave like Trump -- but not nearly as many as one might think.

In my experience, most people who are high-income and routinely catered to are just awesome people. They know that they're lucky, that their life is amazing, and as a result they take small negatives in stride and show a lot of care for people around them.

This goes for people from the junior analyst at McKinsey to people making many millions of dollars a year.

I think the Trump types get viewed as a much larger percentage of the total than they are for a couple of reasons -- they make more noise than a hundred cool counterparts, and it can be pleasing to think that people who are wealthy and powerful are at least awful people. Mostly I think it's the first one -- there might be one bull in a china shop and a whole bunch of mice, but the bull is going to be noticed.
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