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Subject: 2017 Orphans list rss

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Spleen wrote:
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Is there ever an issue with multiple users submitting as a GM for the same game? As in, is there a discussion on who can after the deadline, or does it get disqualified?

Just curious, because I have never observed the process.



I think, after the deadline, it gets replaced with an alternate trial game. My understanding is that it would be replaced with a game that is similar to the one that was dropped.


Replacements aren't based on votes? That seems odd.
 
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Spleen wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
Is there ever an issue with multiple users submitting as a GM for the same game? As in, is there a discussion on who can after the deadline, or does it get disqualified?

Just curious, because I have never observed the process.



I think, after the deadline, it gets replaced with an alternate trial game. My understanding is that it would be replaced with a game that is similar to the one that was dropped.


Sorry, but my question wasn't clear or I'm not grasping the answer. Could be both. Let me rephrase it.

What happens when an event receives multiple GM applications via the official GM Request/submission process?

 
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I think either they take the first valid application or they select the applicant that they want to run it. I don't personally understand that process. I would be interested in knowing the answer to that one.
 
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Spleen wrote:
I think either they take the first valid application or they select the applicant that they want to run it. I don't personally understand that process. I would be interested in knowing the answer to that one.


It was my understanding the one of the critera was the quality of the submission i.e. which prospective GM put more thought into the submission.
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It has happened.

Where I was involved there was a polite discussion backstage.

I can't imagine it happens very often, usually I think if there is popular game and the usual gm confirms late.

It's not to be something worth arguing about, it's only going to be a serious issue if there are very different ways to run the tournament, one isn't obviously better and the people concerned have strong opinions on the matter.
 
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Wilphe wrote:
It has happened.

Where I was involved there was a polite discussion backstage.

I can't imagine it happens very often, usually I think if there is popular game and the usual gm confirms late.

It's not to be something worth arguing about, it's only going to be a serious issue if there are very different ways to run the tournament, one isn't obviously better and the people concerned have strong opinions on the matter.


Thanks.

I was just trying to understand the reasoning of why some said they would have submitted an application for certain games, but they thought someone else already was, so they didn't.

Therefore, I was wondering if there was a reason they wouldn't.
 
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In reply to the comments here:

When two or more submissions are received for the same event (sadly, a rare occurrence) the CD makes the choice based on the order in which they were received and the quality of the submission. Experienced GMs with a good track record are apt to win ties, but being first carries a lot of weight since procrastination carries with it the assumption that the effort is coerced primarily out of fear the event will not be run otherwise. Reluctant GMs generally are less effective (and prepared) than enthusiastic ones. Regardless of one's track record, those who wait till the last day to commit are apt to find themselves replaced if for no other reason than it is unfair to others to offer such tantalizing vacancies only to turn them down for a later submission. At least, that is how I did it. The next CD may have different priorities.

As to which alternates are used as replacements, again it is the CD's choice. He may be guided by membership vote totals but he is not restricted by them. The membership got its say for 25 continuing trials, but the CD makes the choice for any slot that fails to produce a GM commitment. For this final step in the selection process, the CD should step back and make a judgement based on the quality of the Alternate commitments and the overall offerings of the schedule. If a particular genre is under represented in the offerings, it should be given special consideration for balance. No consideration at all is given to replacing a dropped game with a similar game. Quite the contrary ... if the schedule already has a similar event in format, subject and game system then it is a poor choice to receive an alternate slot where it will just serve as competition for the sister event.

In the case of Sponsored events, all bets are off. The choice of replacement remains in the control of the Sponsor. It is interesting the number of sponsors who choose not to choose an event. Apparently, I am not the only believer in "less is more".
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So, if a game is orphaned, can it come back the next year? Will Empire of the Sun stay on the century list even though no one volunteered to GM it this year?
 
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I believe it could still be sponsored this year. If not sponsored then next year it would need a sponsor or successful trial vote. After a year of either scenario it could return to the century with successful attendance (and GM).
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TrimChris wrote:
I believe it could still be sponsored this year. If not sponsored then next year it would need a sponsor or successful trial vote. After a year of either scenario it could return to the century with successful attendance (and GM).


I think the Mar 15 deadline was for sponsors as well. I don't think it can be an event this year.

So it would need a GM to submit it into the trial vote for next year (Or have a GM submit a form and find a sponsor.
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ardrummo wrote:
TrimChris wrote:
I believe it could still be sponsored this year. If not sponsored then next year it would need a sponsor or successful trial vote. After a year of either scenario it could return to the century with successful attendance (and GM).


I think the Mar 15 deadline was for sponsors as well. I don't think it can be an event this year.

So it would need a GM to submit it into the trial vote for next year (Or have a GM submit a form and find a sponsor.


My source on this was the 2nd paragraph of the update on Friday:

"Although we are now accepting only sponsored tournaments in the time remaining, we will continue to schedule seminars, demonstrations and meetings until the scheduling process is complete in May so anyone interested in providing same should contact CD@boardgamers.org for details. "
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hgman3 wrote:
The final results are in and it looks like only Empire of the Sun went unclaimed among the Century and Trial Events


It looks like Empire of the Sun is in as a sponsored trial event.
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