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...of 2017. Seriously. That's what Republicans and Trump are calling the new Healthcare bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

Big Brother from 1984 could not have picked a better name.
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...of 2017. Seriously. That's what Republicans and Trump are calling the new Healthcare bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

Big Brother from 1984 could not have picked a better name.


Actually sounds more like North Korea. I wonder if they realize how sad that all sounds
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Pretty much what I expected if you're sick tough shit and if you're poor try harder next time.
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Not a big fan of the 30% surcharge for lapse of coverage, I think it will have an effect of keeping people out of the market. Otherwise, don't expect it's too much different. Prices will still go up, debt will still go up. I'm surprised they were not trying to do away with the wealth based tax credits like a lot of folks thought they would.

Now the trick will be, can they get it passed?

Also look forward to the CBO score, it will probably be terrible since they are doing away with a lot of the taxes currently residing in ACA (I think). But it should be interesting to see nonetheless.
 
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mrspank wrote:
...of 2017. Seriously. That's what Republicans and Trump are calling the new Healthcare bill.

Despite the Trumpian name, this is actually a competing bill to the official Trump-approved House GOP bill.
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Not a big fan of the 30% surcharge for lapse of coverage, I think it will have an effect of keeping people out of the market.


The thing with the 30% penalty is that it only applies once when you join back, so it's going to have two effects
- People who suddenly find themselves without coverage (such as when fired) and are forced to drop out, then rejoin more than a couple of months later, are punished for being temporarily unable to afford it (remember that subsidies are also largely removed)
- As long as you are healthy, you can postpone insurance indefinitely. Since it's a one-off surcharge when joining back, it makes sense not to be insured until the point where you are seriously ill and need coverage - making insurance more expensive for everyone except young, healthy people who can afford not to have it.
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Not a big fan of the 30% surcharge for lapse of coverage, I think it will have an effect of keeping people out of the market. Otherwise, don't expect it's too much different. Prices will still go up, debt will still go up. I'm surprised they were not trying to do away with the wealth based tax credits like a lot of folks thought they would.

Now the trick will be, can they get it passed?

Also look forward to the CBO score, it will probably be terrible since they are doing away with a lot of the taxes currently residing in ACA (I think). But it should be interesting to see nonetheless.

Yup and if they're off coverage very long it just gets worse for them.
 
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That title is so mind shatteringly stupid that it comes all the way back around to being cool.

I'm impressed.
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I don't even know what to say. I had to look it up on the official website to believe it.

This is like a Far Side cartoon come to life.
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mrspank wrote:
...of 2017. Seriously. That's what Republicans and Trump are calling the new Healthcare bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

Big Brother from 1984 could not have picked a better name.


Actually sounds more like North Korea. I wonder if they realize how sad that all sounds


When Democrats regain control (yes, that will happen again someday so don't laugh), they need to repeal this thing if it's passed and replace it with a plan called "Better than the World's Best Healthcare bill"... aka single payer with price controls.


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mrspank wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
mrspank wrote:
...of 2017. Seriously. That's what Republicans and Trump are calling the new Healthcare bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

Big Brother from 1984 could not have picked a better name.


Actually sounds more like North Korea. I wonder if they realize how sad that all sounds


When Democrats regain control (yes, that will happen again someday so don't laugh), they need to repeal this thing if it's passed and replace it with a plan called "Better than the World's Best Healthcare bill"... aka single payer with price controls.




You bring up a good point. When does the cycle end? Or are we stuck in a perpetual bullshit loop?
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I think this is just the continuation of the very commonly stated and believed American statement "we have the best Healthcare system in the world" which is really not true by any objective standard, I mean it's one of the most expensive and for the developed world it statistically produces way below average outcomes.
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I think this is just the continuation of the very commonly stated and believed American statement "we have the best Healthcare system in the world" which is really not true by any objective standard, I mean it's one of the most expensive and for the developed world it statistically produces way below average outcomes.


It produces excellent outcomes for health care executives and their army of lobbyists and shills. And isn't that what matters?
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When did the practice of giving bills stupid propaganda names start? The most well known is the Patriot Act, but I presume it goes back further than then. (I wouldn't however, for example, consider a name like a "Crime Prevention" bill just propaganda, unless of course it was nothing to do with crime.)
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rylfrazier wrote:
I think this is just the continuation of the very commonly stated and believed American statement "we have the best Healthcare system in the world" which is really not true by any objective standard, I mean it's one of the most expensive and for the developed world it statistically produces way below average outcomes.


Love it or leave it, commie (not that there is anything wrong with communism or Russia these days)

USA! USA!
 
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Dearlove wrote:
When did the practice of giving bills stupid propaganda names start? The most well known is the Patriot Act, but I presume it goes back further than then. (I wouldn't however, for example, consider a name like a "Crime Prevention" bill just propaganda, unless of course it was nothing to do with crime.)

PATRIOT was the first really crazy one. There's one from 1997 called H.R.2784 - No Private Contracts To Be Negotiated When the Patient Is Buck Naked Act of 1997, but that one actually is an accurate description of what it entails.

Looking through higher profile historical legislation, they were all fairly dry and descriptively named prior to the 21st century. There were plenty of nicknames used by detractors, mostly, but not as the official bill names. The first time I can find bills even hinting at endorsements of themselves is the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. 1976 gave us the Government in the Sunshine Act and we got the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act in 1993.

We do start to see the change in 1996. The Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (Libertad) Act of 1996 didn't really have anything to with liberty or solidarity so much as embargoes. We also got the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 which is, of course, welfare reform. And finally in 1996, the Defense of Marriage Act, and we all know what that was about.

I also have to say that I was almost disappointed to learn that the Indian Intercourse Act of 1790 wasn't actually the first case of Congress in the bedroom.
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On CNN this morning, a right-wing radio host blamed Democrats for the Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017. I laughed.
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So, I know there are real repercussions here for many people. However, I must say that I've been personally gleeful at the conservative infighting. The radio show host blaming Democratic fear mongering for the bill was particularly hilarious, because they really have to own the bill now. There's no option to just sit and do nothing. They are stuck with owning the bill. There is no calling it Obamacare Light when Paul Ryan is out there steadfastly acting like this is their crowning achievement in governance. Their "dream for years!" I know it's wrong to be gleeful about them all fighting each other, but it's pretty funny given how many times they tried to repeal Obamacare in the past and now...lol.
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... I know it's wrong to be gleeful about them all fighting each other, but it's pretty funny given how many times they tried to repeal Obamacare in the past and now...lol.


There is one canoe. And they are your canoe-mates. And they have hold of The Captains Hat. And a 150 year period of being the biggest canoe in seas that never over-waled may aready be ended.

That little fire they have going is burning your emergency supplies too.

It's not wrong to be gleeful. Or be rendered impecunious. And maybe its not preventable anyway.
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I'm surprised they were not trying to do away with the wealth based tax credits like a lot of folks thought they would.

Unless I misunderstand what you are referring to, they are trying to do that very thing.
 
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So, I know there are real repercussions here for many people. However, I must say that I've been personally gleeful at the conservative infighting. The radio show host blaming Democratic fear mongering for the bill was particularly hilarious, because they really have to own the bill now. There's no option to just sit and do nothing. They are stuck with owning the bill. There is no calling it Obamacare Light when Paul Ryan is out there steadfastly acting like this is their crowning achievement in governance. Their "dream for years!" I know it's wrong to be gleeful about them all fighting each other, but it's pretty funny given how many times they tried to repeal Obamacare in the past and now...lol.


Obama did what he could to give a bunch of people a taste of affordable health care. Not even endless anti-Obummer propaganda can outweigh the reality of someone finally being able to see a doctor and live a better, healthier life.

"He might be a Muslim socialist, but my daughter doesn't cough up blood anymore, so..."

These jackals went to public meetings expecting handjobs for killing the ACA, and instead got their jaws jacked by working people who wonder why taxpayer-funded health care is okay for Congressional Republicans but not for them.

The ACA was badly flawed, but you can see the noble intent behind it. What is the G.O.P. trying to save us from? The Communist dictator that left office peacefully?
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Here's a NY Times newsletter I received today:

"Many Americans over the age of 60 would have to pay more for health insurance under the Republican health care plan. Many low-income families would lose their insurance. Many disabled people, hepatitis patients and opioid addicts, among others, would no longer receive treatments that they do now.

Care to guess where the billions of dollars in savings from these cuts would go instead?

They would go largely to the richest 1 percent of households, those earning at least $700,000 a year, according to the Tax Policy Center. A disproportionate amount of the savings would go to the richest of the rich — those earning in the millions.

The Republican health care bill is, in no small measure, a tax cut for the wealthy.

If you’re wondering how Republican leaders can defend cutting benefits for older, sicker and poorer Americans to pay for a top-end tax cut, House Speaker Paul Ryan offered a revealing non-answer, as Jonathan Chait noted in New York Magazine.

At a news conference, a reporter asked Ryan why the bill cuts taxes for the rich. Ryan laughed, waved the question away, told the reporter to read the bill and then moved on to another question. Evidently, he can’t defend the tax cut."

That wacky Ryan; what a sense of humor, huh?
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To someone who's read it: is the employer mandate ztill in?
 
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Squeezing more money out of the pre medicare aged will kill my industry (hearing aids). Honestly it's on a slow burn already times are changing, I'll adapt or move on but seniors will be screwed. I think the uncertainty is already being felt.
 
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To someone who's read it: is the employer mandate ztill in?


The employer mandate remains but the penalty for failing to meet the mandate is gone.

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Removing Penalties Connected With The Individual And Employer Responsibility Provisions

In the meantime, the penalty for the individual responsibility and employer responsibility provisions are eliminated retroactively for years beginning with 2016. This will further confuse the question of whether the mandate is being enforced for 2016 during the current tax filing season and further undermine the stability of the individual insurance market going forward. The mandates themselves are not being eliminated, presumably because of the Byrd Rule, which limits reconciliation provisions in the Senate to provisions that affect government revenues and outlays (although other provisions of the bills, such as the age rating and AV changes or continuous coverage requirements, might also seem to violate the Byrd rule). Significantly, the legislation does not eliminate the ACA’s employer and insurer reporting requirements, which have arguably been more of a burden to employers than the employer mandate itself."

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/03/07/examining-the-house...
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