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I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.

If he had "barely lost" then he could have started the Trump Network with 35-45 million viewers, been able to spend time with his family at his home in trump tower at night, been able to mack on young starlets during the day , and have continued to be a great white shark in a pond of gold fish.

Since he "won", he lost his freedom, he can't hit on or hang out with young starlets any more, he can't spend time with his family, he's constantly being frustrated by other great white sharks and by some stringent legal constraints. He's angry and upset more often. He certainly can't build another building for 4 years (and probably the rest of his life).

I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable. He had a very good life and that's all gone now. He was very competent at what he did and suddenly he's completely ignorant and a buffoon.

I hadn't thought of it that way before.
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Are Trump's actions since he lost/won qualitatively different in ways that aren't well explained by him being PE and then POTUS?

please bring these differences
 
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Well... consider how you feel learning a new language, or a new major skill (like skiing or swing dancing). It can feel miserable for a long time (months) before it starts to feel enjoyable.

Looking at Obama (and even W.Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan) they all knew the rules, were competent and they enjoyed the role. It was the pinnacle of their life and their lives were well integrated with their roles as president.

If nothing else... Mr. Trump sleeps alone now. He can't see his son every day (and he always appeared to like his kids except what's her face). Many of the people he sees every day were strangers to him only 12 months ago. And many of the friends he used to see regularly, he can't see any more. Can you imagine President Trump appearing on the howard stern program and sharing vulgar banter?

Being president is not the pinnacle of being a builder of buildings.

The one thing he was good at-- he can't do any more.

I can't point at particular actions yet. Right now he seems to be working down the checklist of campaign promises. But an executive order to build a trillion dollars of infrastructure is a meaningless gesture.

Meanwhile, arch rival barry is visibly having the time of his life.
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I certainly believe he found the job wasn't exactly the hail to the chief and parades in his honour every day he thought it was.
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I kind of made the same observation, except then why is he gearing up for a 2020 run already, sooner than any other first term President?

Maybe he's miserable, but addicted to the power?
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It's a compelling look at Trump.

He's basically a 70 year old baby boomer become president. I think Trump actually believes what the generally fear inducing stories Fox News (and Breitbart) say, like many 70 year old baby boomers do. Nostalgia tells them America used to be better in the past, and looking at the economic prospects of a generation, they actually were better off than anyone until then and since then. While he absolutely was race baiting in the campaign, I also think Trump genuinely believes Muslim immigration is one of the worst threats facing America. It's pretty much the first thing he acted upon once in office and it's been a recurring topic in right-wing news for years. Radical Islam is the Red Scare of today, and like Communism making the US and former Nazi Germany allies, radical Islam is now making the US and the former Soviet Union allies.

But I also think Trump believes of himself he was the best person possible to become president. As a business owner he only knows strictly hierarchical organizations though, and the US government isn't that by design. So unsurprisingly he's failing to get anything done now.

I think the country would have been better off if both Trump and Clinton would have just gone and enjoyed their retirement instead of thinking they'd have to re-tool the nation in their image rather than the image of 90% of the population younger than them. Of course the irony of the election was that young people rallied behind someone even older than those two. If the Democratic party had been able to produce another Obama, I think that person would have won without a doubt. But it really isn't the party of young progressives; it's the party of the corporate status quo embodied by Clinton.
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I kind of made the same observation, except then why is he gearing up for a 2020 run already, sooner than any other first term President?

Maybe he's miserable, but addicted to the power?

Just because he filed a form and began collecting campaign contributions does not prove he will run again.

It just lets him collect money and spend it renting offices from himself at 5x the normal rate. Etc. It is just him skimming the cream off the top from his true believes.

He may decide not to run in 2020.

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Shampoo4you wrote:

I kind of made the same observation, except then why is he gearing up for a 2020 run already, sooner than any other first term President?

Maybe he's miserable, but addicted to the power?


All donations to him are legal while he's in a campaign. I've heard it provides a legal way to donate money to him.
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He was very competent at what he did


let's count the number of times he went bankrupt again just for funsies - right, it was six times

the man literally managed to fail at running a casino, where the business model is "people show up and give you money," because he decided to open a second casino literally across the street

basically his successes in business are really down to a combination of inherited wealth giving him the ability to shortchange contractors by being able to outlast them in legal battles, a series of mob ties, and the sort of undeserved confidence and lack of shame that makes for an excellent salesman

he's not "suddenly" an ignorant buffoon, because he's always been one; he's a man who's never really had to have to deal with people giving him shit, because rich people - even ones who negotiate bankruptcies - never really do, and when you get down to it the Presidency is taking shit from people all the time and not really being able to dismiss it or shut it out, which is one of the reasons most of the time it's stupid to accuse the President of being a narcissist - certainly you have to have a strong ego to be President, but actual narcissism is basically out of the question because once you're in the big chair half of the country hates you like poison and the other half thinks you're not doing enough

but Trump IS a narcissist, he's basically a textbook one, and the Presidency is killing him

to which I say "good" because there are some people who just make the world worse, and he's one of them
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maxo-texas wrote:
He was very competent at what he did


let's count the number of times he went bankrupt again just for funsies - right, it was six times

the man literally managed to fail at running a casino, where the business model is "people show up and give you money," because he decided to open a second casino literally across the street

basically his successes in business are really down to a combination of inherited wealth giving him the ability to shortchange contractors by being able to outlast them in legal battles, a series of mob ties, and the sort of undeserved confidence and lack of shame that makes for an excellent salesman

he's not "suddenly" an ignorant buffoon, because he's always been one; he's a man who's never really had to have to deal with people giving him shit, because rich people - even ones who negotiate bankruptcies - never really do, and when you get down to it the Presidency is taking shit from people all the time and not really being able to dismiss it or shut it out, which is one of the reasons most of the time it's stupid to accuse the President of being a narcissist - certainly you have to have a strong ego to be President, but actual narcissism is basically out of the question because once you're in the big chair half of the country hates you like poison and the other half thinks you're not doing enough

but Trump IS a narcissist, he's basically a textbook one, and the Presidency is killing him

to which I say "good" because there are some people who just make the world worse, and he's one of them


Ha! Oh good lord! Multiple bankruptcies wasn't a show of incompetence. It was a show of competence.

Mr. Trump was very competent at getting buildings built, getting to hang around young girls (and I think he has issues in that area), getting to live a celebrity life, and getting rich in the process. He lived a life of luxury.

He was very good at it. He isn't very good at being president. He's completely ignorant of being president. Hell, he didn't even know how to turn the lights off in the building at first.

He's not ignorant of how to pitch shows, how to get people to loan him money, how to avoid losing his OWN money, but getting to keep a large share of the profits when it wasn't even his own money at stake, getting to travel the world tax free on business, etc. etc. Suddenly, all those skills are worthless.
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maxo-texas wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
He was very competent at what he did


let's count the number of times he went bankrupt again just for funsies - right, it was six times

the man literally managed to fail at running a casino, where the business model is "people show up and give you money," because he decided to open a second casino literally across the street

basically his successes in business are really down to a combination of inherited wealth giving him the ability to shortchange contractors by being able to outlast them in legal battles, a series of mob ties, and the sort of undeserved confidence and lack of shame that makes for an excellent salesman

he's not "suddenly" an ignorant buffoon, because he's always been one; he's a man who's never really had to have to deal with people giving him shit, because rich people - even ones who negotiate bankruptcies - never really do, and when you get down to it the Presidency is taking shit from people all the time and not really being able to dismiss it or shut it out, which is one of the reasons most of the time it's stupid to accuse the President of being a narcissist - certainly you have to have a strong ego to be President, but actual narcissism is basically out of the question because once you're in the big chair half of the country hates you like poison and the other half thinks you're not doing enough

but Trump IS a narcissist, he's basically a textbook one, and the Presidency is killing him

to which I say "good" because there are some people who just make the world worse, and he's one of them


Ha! Oh good lord! Multiple bankruptcies wasn't a show of incompetence. It was a show of competence.

Mr. Trump was very competent at getting buildings built, getting to hang around young girls (and I think he has issues in that area), getting to live a celebrity life, and getting rich in the process. He lived a life of luxury.

He was very good at it. He isn't very good at being president. He's completely ignorant of being president. Hell, he didn't even know how to turn the lights off in the building at first.

He's not ignorant of how to pitch shows, how to get people to loan him money, how to avoid losing his OWN money, but getting to keep a large share of the profits when it wasn't even his own money at stake, getting to travel the world tax free on business, etc. etc. Suddenly, all those skills are worthless.

true, it just depends on your definition of competency.

trump is very good at being a crook who gets rich over the back of others, without a single sign of empathy or care about who he destroys. To say that he was incompetent is a lie. The problem was that this is not a competency you want in a president.

In the atributes necesary for a president trump has never shown any competency at all.
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What life? Isn't he over 70? How much longer is he planning on living?
 
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I agree, it's like America played a cruel joke on Mr. Trump by voting for him - sort of like electing the shyest kid to be class president because you know he won't be able to do it(although there is certainly nothing shy about Donald Trump!)

Mike Pence could actually end up being the most powerful vice-president in US history, since he has a very good chance of getting a lot of his own policies implemented at the expense of the president. I wouldn't go so far as to say Trump is starting out as a lame-duck president - he's perhaps more of a "sitting-duck president" at the moment.

Suffice to say, it is no doubt a very steep learning curve.
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I think you're possibly ignoring the fact that as much money he was going to (probably) make from his likely successful post election career as a right-wing pundit and real estate huckster can't possibly compare to the amount of taxpayer money he is straight up giving himself and will continue to give himself over the next 4 years and the enormous international brand legitimacy this has given the Trump brand.

Trump has been selling his brand internationally for years as a recognizable symbol for American success and prosperity and that has been massively legitimized by this election.

The actual job of president, sure he's terrible at it and probably doesn't enjoy, but being president is in every other way a massive dream come true for him.
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maxo-texas wrote:
I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.




So what you are saying is that a billionaire with everything to live for gives up his glamorous, successful life to serve the public and that is a bad thing?

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I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable.


Methinks you doth project too much.


'The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.'
Psalm 28:7

 
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maxo-texas wrote:
I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.




So what you are saying is that a billionaire with everything to live for gives up his glamorous, successful life to serve the public and that is a bad thing?

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I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable.


Methinks you doth project too much.


'The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.'
Psalm 28:7


I don't think Trump ran to serve the public. I think he originally ran to further his business interests. He just couldn't find a way to withdraw when it became too late.
Don't know what the biblical quote is about. Trump is not a Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.
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What life? Isn't he over 70? How much longer is he planning on living?

Well he has an average life expectancy of 11 years, but he is rich and has excellent medical care so more than that.
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As an egotist and narcissist Trump is loving being president of the USA. Well at least the perks and attention.
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Sarxis wrote:
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I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.




So what you are saying is that a billionaire with everything to live for gives up his glamorous, successful life to serve the public and that is a bad thing?

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I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable.


Methinks you doth project too much.


'The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.'
Psalm 28:7



I bolded the part where I think you are completely wrong. I haven't seen anything in his words or actions that show that serving the public is one of his interests.
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maxo-texas wrote:
I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.




So what you are saying is that a billionaire with everything to live for gives up his glamorous, successful life to serve the public and that is a bad thing?

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I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable.


Methinks you doth project too much.


'The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.'
Psalm 28:7



I bolded the part where I think you are completely wrong. I haven't seen anything in his words or actions that show that serving the public is one of his interests.


Well, when you close your eyes, you wouldn't see it now would you?

'For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' ~Matthew 13:15
 
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Sarxis wrote:
batman wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
I was discussing this with a girlfriend tonight and we sorta both came to the conclusion at the same time that Mr. Trump suffered the largest loss of his life by winning the presidency.




So what you are saying is that a billionaire with everything to live for gives up his glamorous, successful life to serve the public and that is a bad thing?

Quote:
I think Trump wakes up most days completely miserable.


Methinks you doth project too much.


'The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.'
Psalm 28:7



I bolded the part where I think you are completely wrong. I haven't seen anything in his words or actions that show that serving the public is one of his interests.


Well, when you close your eyes, you wouldn't see it now would you?

'For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' ~Matthew 13:15


Is there a bible verse about irony?
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Well, when you close your eyes, you wouldn't see it now would you?

'For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' ~Matthew 13:15

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
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Well, when you close your eyes, you wouldn't see it now would you?

'For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' ~Matthew 13:15

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
~The Merchant of Venice


3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake. 6For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; 8we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death works in us, but life in you.

13But having the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I BELIEVED, THEREFORE I SPOKE,” we also believe, therefore we also speak, 14knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you. 15For all things are for your sakes, so that the grace which is spreading to more and more people may cause the giving of thanks to abound to the glory of God.

16Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. 17For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, 18while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.


2nd Corinthians
 
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You do realize that you are using scripture to defend the acts of Trump, not the alleged message of Jesus right? I think that is actually a Commandment broken. Taking the name of God in vain?
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