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In the recent discussion of the Golden Geek winners for this year, I thought Eddy Sterckx had a good comment about a 5-year delay. Though it's a fine idea, BGG isn't going to change policy. That Golden Geek is a marketing tool and additionally, Eurogamers, who outnumber us like the Spartans were outnumbered at Thermopylae, don't have the problems that we do of working through lengthy games. They can play all of the nominated games in their field without difficulty.

But since it was a fine idea, I thought, "Why not explore it?" So if folks dig it, I thought I would throw one of these up about every 2 months, examining games from past years until we catch up to the 5 year window, and then I'll post annually from there.

The idea is that (hopefully) over 5 years, we have had time to play games, hear the word of mouth buzz down the road and get the 2nd editions that we missed out on, etc.

But I'm not re-posting the Golden Geek nominees and asking you to re-vote for a variety of reasons.

1. For this first year (2006), there are some amazing games that were not nominated. Case in point: Empire of the Sun.

2. Some of the games that were nominated aren't even classified as wargames by BGG's incredibly loose standards (Nexus Ops, Twilight Imperium, Warrior Knights).

3. Some of the nominated games were not published in 2005.

So I went through the top 1,500 ranked wargames (by BGG's loose standards), and looked up every game published in 2005 and listed them alphabetically. The pictures show the 2005 editions.

For the voting, vote on your top 5 favorite games. I will leave this poll up for 30 days and then tabulate the results: 5 points will go for each "best" vote. 4 points for each "2nd best" vote, all the way down to 1 point for each "5th best" vote.

Feel free to discuss, but remember these guidelines:

1. Be nice.

2. Realize that people WILL have a different opinion than you do. It's a board game. Don't get that worked up over it. We are talking about 12 year old games. Their reputations are well established and can handle a little criticism or praise.

3. Re-read #1 & #2. No Red-X's. No Snark. No passive-aggressive games. If you haven't read it, you should read this post before responding.

4. I went with a universal standard: what BGG has classified as a wargame. Some I don't personally consider wargames, but since everybody has a different standard, better to use one universal one. Don't turn this into a "what is a wargame?" discussion. We are not going to settle Twilight Struggle this time any more than the other 10,000 times.

I don't want this to dovetail into another poo-slinging fest with Octavian coming in and handing out suspensions and locking the thread. If he wants to come in and vote, fine, but he better things to do than come here and suspend people bickering about silly stuff. It took a lot of time to look up these games and gather the pictures, please don't make me regret doing it.

Thanks and have fun.

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What were the five best games published in 2005?
  The Best 2nd Best 3rd Best 4th Best 5th Best Vote Count
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kit #2
31.0% (13) 21.4% (9) 23.8% (10) 14.3% (6) 9.5% (4) 42
Advanced Tobruk System Basic Game 1a: Screaming Eagles
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 33.3% (1) 33.3% (1) 33.3% (1) 3
Advanced Tobruk System Basic Game II: Streets of Stalingrad
0.0% (0) 50.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 2
Axis & Allies Miniatures
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (1) 50.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 2
The Battle of Five Armies
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 16.7% (1) 16.7% (1) 66.7% (4) 6
Battleground
0.0% (0) 25.0% (1) 50.0% (2) 25.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 4
Bitter End: Attack to Budapest, 1945
50.0% (4) 0.0% (0) 12.5% (1) 12.5% (1) 25.0% (2) 8
Bloody Ridge
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (2) 50.0% (2) 4
Bonaparte at Marengo
33.3% (15) 28.9% (13) 15.6% (7) 8.9% (4) 13.3% (6) 45
Carthage: The First Punic War
18.2% (4) 18.2% (4) 27.3% (6) 18.2% (4) 18.2% (4) 22
Clash for a Continent: Battles of the American Revolution and French & Indian War
20.0% (1) 20.0% (1) 40.0% (2) 20.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 5
Conquest of the Empire
30.0% (3) 40.0% (4) 0.0% (0) 10.0% (1) 20.0% (2) 10
Corsair Leader
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (2) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 2
Crusader Rex
8.8% (3) 11.8% (4) 20.6% (7) 26.5% (9) 32.4% (11) 34
Empire of the Sun
41.4% (36) 21.8% (19) 19.5% (17) 6.9% (6) 10.3% (9) 87
Federation Commander: Klingon Border
8.3% (1) 50.0% (6) 8.3% (1) 25.0% (3) 8.3% (1) 12
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945
10.3% (4) 41.0% (16) 17.9% (7) 25.6% (10) 5.1% (2) 39
For Honor and Glory: War of 1812 Land and Naval Battles
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (2) 2
Four Lost Battles
30.0% (3) 0.0% (0) 10.0% (1) 30.0% (3) 30.0% (3) 10
Flying Colors
4.0% (1) 24.0% (6) 32.0% (8) 20.0% (5) 20.0% (5) 25
Hornet Leader II
12.5% (1) 0.0% (0) 37.5% (3) 37.5% (3) 12.5% (1) 8
Infinity
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 1
Las Navas de Tolosa, 1212
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (1) 1
Le Vol de l'Aigle
0.0% (0) 12.5% (1) 50.0% (4) 12.5% (1) 25.0% (2) 8
Lobositz: First Battle of the Seven Years War
0.0% (0) 12.5% (1) 25.0% (2) 62.5% (5) 0.0% (0) 8
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes
20.0% (2) 20.0% (2) 20.0% (2) 40.0% (4) 0.0% (0) 10
The Lord of the Rings: Strategy Battle Game
33.3% (1) 33.3% (1) 0.0% (0) 33.3% (1) 0.0% (0) 3
The Mediterranean
0.0% (0) 100.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 1
Men of Iron
8.3% (3) 30.6% (11) 22.2% (8) 19.4% (7) 19.4% (7) 36
The Mighty Endeavor
13.6% (3) 4.5% (1) 31.8% (7) 18.2% (4) 31.8% (7) 22
Nuts!
100.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 1
Panzer Grenadier: Eastern Front
0.0% (0) 16.7% (1) 16.7% (1) 16.7% (1) 50.0% (3) 6
Panzer Grenadier: Road to Berlin
0.0% (0) 25.0% (1) 25.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (2) 4
Prussia's Glory II
11.1% (1) 0.0% (0) 22.2% (2) 22.2% (2) 44.4% (4) 9
Risk: Star Wars – The Clone Wars Edition
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 1
Saganami Island Tactical Simulator
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0
Savannah
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (4) 50.0% (4) 0.0% (0) 8
Second World War at Sea: Bismarck
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (1) 0.0% (0) 1
Second World War at Sea: Leyte Gulf
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 100.0% (2) 0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 2
Second World War at Sea: Strike South
0.0% (0) 33.3% (1) 33.3% (1) 33.3% (1) 0.0% (0) 3
The Siege of Alesia
0.0% (0) 28.6% (2) 28.6% (2) 0.0% (0) 42.9% (3) 7
Silent War
8.3% (2) 12.5% (3) 12.5% (3) 37.5% (9) 29.2% (7) 24
Target Arnhem: Across 6 Bridges
0.0% (0) 0.0% (0) 50.0% (5) 30.0% (3) 20.0% (2) 10
Triumph of Chaos
16.7% (3) 27.8% (5) 11.1% (2) 27.8% (5) 16.7% (3) 18
Twilight Struggle
46.2% (49) 25.5% (27) 9.4% (10) 9.4% (10) 9.4% (10) 106
Under the Lily Banners
20.0% (5) 24.0% (6) 28.0% (7) 16.0% (4) 12.0% (3) 25
Wacht Am Rhein
28.6% (2) 14.3% (1) 14.3% (1) 0.0% (0) 42.9% (3) 7
Wellington
6.7% (1) 13.3% (2) 13.3% (2) 40.0% (6) 26.7% (4) 15
Wings of War: Burning Drachens
0.0% (0) 14.3% (1) 14.3% (1) 42.9% (3) 28.6% (2) 7
Wings of War: Watch Your Back!
12.5% (1) 12.5% (1) 12.5% (1) 37.5% (3) 25.0% (2) 8
Total Voters 161
This poll is now closed.   161 answers
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Closes: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:00 am
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What a delightful experiment! I'm keen to see how this plays out.
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This is a cool exercise. I suspect I'm not the only person that was "out of the hobby" that year, so wasn't following releases as they came out at all. I'd barely heard of GMT at that point. It contrasts interestingly with the "20 years ago today" Avalon Hill catalog thread when I was still buying the occasional game and knew the AH repertoire pretty well.

Somehow managed to catch up ($...) and have played a number of entrants from the class of 2005, enough to honestly vote for a few. Wonder if my voting would have been different if I'd been buying regularly at the time before the "filter of time" kicked in. The fact that I own a few from 2005 that didn't make the BGG top 1500 means the filter isn't perfect!

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Nice job Judd
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WOW! there's people who can actually remember 2005?
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Oh, dear, I haven't played any of the nominees in BGG's official dealy, I guess I better get along to this one and... nope, still haven't even scratched the surface of this blasted hobby.

This is a radical idea, Judd, and I hope folks treat it with the same care and attention you've lavished on it by scouring every recess of the site to make the poll.

I think this is going to make for some interesting reading. Even if someone has played all the ones on the official list and made a legit attempt to compare them fairly - beyond "X was my fave so there" - it's still a very limited window. Here we've got twelve year's worth of experience, which means that people will have played something once, may have loved it to bits, then had it fall out of favour. Seeing how many users have had a rollercoaster of a relationship with a particular title will be just as interesting as seeing which ones have remained stalwart favourites.
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Good idea , congrats.
there were big games that year, it is difficult to pick only 5 among them.
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WOW! there's people who can actually remember 2005?


It's more like the other way around : is that a 2005 game ? I thought it got released last year or so.
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Super thread! Nice one Judd + Eddy, you clever boys.
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I dig it. Makes good sense. Thanks Judd.
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I found 3 outstanding choices (IMHO): TS, EOTS, ASLSK. After that, there are some really good games, but I struggle to find two more that I think are award worthy.
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What's nice is that I've actually played a fair number of these and feel I can provide an honest ranking (of at least those).

Great idea!

EDIT: Difficult to go against TS, but I went with BaM as my #1 as it was both innovative and in my wheelhouse. So TS was #2.
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What I thought would be a tough decision for #1 was made easy when I saw Fire in the Sky.
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I am a huge fan of "Triumph of Chaos". Difficult to believe it was published so long ago (except when I look at the state of my cards!)
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My #1 was pretty obvious: Empire of the Sun.

I wasn't on BGG back then, but I wonder how the heck was it not even nominated for the Golden Geek? Considering Great One invented the genre and turned out two CDG hits before that (We the People/For the People), I would think there would be a major buzz for the game.

If you like the DVG "Leader" series, Corsair Leader is a cool little funky game. I believe it is Print and Play only and I got a really slick copy in a pay it forward.

There were some games with really good reputations that I wish I could try if time/money were infinite, namely Siege of Alesia, BaM, Triumph of Chaos, Fire in the Sky, The Mighty Endeavor, and Carthage: The First Punic War.
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This is a great idea, and really appreciate the work you did to create this. Unfortunately, skimming the list I have minimal experience with those titles, and checking my collection nothing I rated even as low as a 7 was published in 2005, so I'm pretty much going to have to sit this one out.

But look forward to 2006!

(Too bad year published isn't one of the filters!)
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What I thought would be a tough decision for #1 was made easy when I saw Fire in the Sky.


Mine as well Wendell
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wifwendell wrote:
What I thought would be a tough decision for #1 was made easy when I saw Fire in the Sky.


Mine as well Wendell


I really enjoyed playing it as well. I think this was the session that went kaput when my computer died a mangled death and I could not get back into the flow of things when I finally replaced it weeks later. Wendell's Japanese were well dug in though and I think he had it won regardless.

Did my enjoyment derive from the game or was it the subject as it was my first Pacific War experience? The latter contributed no doubt, but the fascinating challenge of learning how to get things done within the game was captivating and the primary factor. I made this my #3.

Plus the box art is kick ass.
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Great idea, Judd. Looking back after a number of years certainly allows one to both have a better chance to have actually played many of the games and also provides more perspective with intervening years.

My five?

1 Empire of the Sun
2 Bonaparte at Marengo
3 Fire in the Sky
4 Crusader Rex
5 The Mighty Endeavor

Looking back, 2005 was a pretty good year for wargames!

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Heck, it's been a great century for wargames.
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Capt_S wrote:
What's nice is that I've actually played a fair number of these and feel I can provide an honest ranking (of at least those).

Great idea!

EDIT: Difficult to go against TS, but I went with BaM as my #1 as it was both innovative and in my wheelhouse. So TS was #2.


I wrestled with those two as well, but since I find Napoleon's Triumph to have been such a definitively superior evolution of the system, I opted for TS over BaM in the end.
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I was wrestling a bit with that as well Sean. NT is superior to BaM in my opinion.

2005 was no slouch for games.
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I was wrestling a bit with that as well Sean. NT is superior to BaM in my opinion.

2005 was no slouch for games.


The more interesting question to me is how many of these are being played regularly. Clearly the ASLSK is still very popular.
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I was wrestling a bit with that as well Sean. NT is superior to BaM in my opinion.

2005 was no slouch for games.


The more interesting question to me is how many of these are being played regularly. Clearly the ASLSK is still very popular.


Yeah, ASLSK certainly as well as TS and EotS.

M&P as a series perhaps. And no doubt there are a pocket of folks banging away at Federation Commander: Klingon Border and its siblings.
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I was wrestling a bit with that as well Sean. NT is superior to BaM in my opinion.

2005 was no slouch for games.


The more interesting question to me is how many of these are being played regularly. Clearly the ASLSK is still very popular.

Of the ones on this list I'm still playing TS and Wings of Glory, and the latter did not make my top 5 in the voting above.

There are a few I've tried, a few I've yet to try but want to, and of course a bunch that if I never get to play I won't feel I've missed out.
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