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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/opinions/working-for-trump-rep...

Interesting article that sums up Trumps leadership style quite accurately, describing him as the alpha chimpanzee. But one only has to look at Spicer, to realize that people that work for him sacrifice their professional reputations, and possibly personal ethics, by working for the man. There are no other views in the Trump administration, no expertise to be consulted. Trump does not want experts advising him. He looks down upon them, as being part of the problem with the system (at least the perceived problem in his mind). He rules by dominance, but, like the chimpanzee example, it is only a matter of time before the underlings either wise up, and leave, or take control of the situation by force. In this case, force could be impeachment, or simply what's going on now, the endless (although justified) investigations that neuter his ability to accomplish anything meaningful.
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Interesting article. I've never studied psychology so the following quote puzzles me.

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The dominance mode explains Trump's bluster, bullying and tendency to dismiss people who have genuine experience. As McAdams told me this week, Trump "has no respect for, or interest in, expertise of any kind, writing it off as weakness


How does expertise of a subject denote weakness? Knowledge is less than power/dominance?

Bannon gets a quick mention but not how he fits into the tribe. Does that throw the analogy off?
 
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Thank you. I guess I can see how that would make sense to the chimpanzee mind. I can also see it being explained by the "spoiled brat" mind. Throwing a fit always works better than using logic and facts to the spoiled child.

Either way, I guess his wife is used to that, too, from the facial shift we saw at the inauguration.
 
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It makes more sense when you change 'chimp' to 'chump'.
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Pinook wrote:
Same as you don't have to be in WWF to be a wrestler.)

You have to be a wrestler and a panda.

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This is all a bit hard on chimps. They form sophisticated networks within their social groups and leaders are very careful not to upset their core followers. Female support for males is crucial. The highest indicator that a young chimp will be high status is its mother being high status.
Trump seems to have not grasped the female support thing.
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and yet contary to what the bible says we are related to chimps and we are animals.

Unless what you meant to say was 'less than human'?
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Do they fling poo at each other?
 
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I wonder if a conservative would've posted about Obama being the alpha chimp what kind of response there would be in rsp. I guess it's only classy to compare conservatives to apes and sleesaks.
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ironcates wrote:
I wonder if a conservative would've posted about Obama being the alpha chimp what kind of response there would be in rsp. I guess it's only classy to compare conservatives to apes and sleesaks.


From the article in the OP:

Like Spicer, Tillerson is on the losing side of a bargain he made with a leader he may not understand. Here it helps to become familiar with the work of Northwestern University psychologist Dan P. McAdams, who has studied the personalities of presidents including Trump, whom he views an as extreme example of the dominance style deployed by alpha chimpanzees. Leadership by dominance is more primal than the other main kind of leadership, which is based on expertise.

They spoke to a psychologist who compared his leadership style to that of an alpha chimpanzee. What do you see in that that probably isn't there ?
 
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jonb wrote:
ironcates wrote:
I wonder if a conservative would've posted about Obama being the alpha chimp what kind of response there would be in rsp. I guess it's only classy to compare conservatives to apes and sleesaks.


From the article in the OP:

Like Spicer, Tillerson is on the losing side of a bargain he made with a leader he may not understand. Here it helps to become familiar with the work of Northwestern University psychologist Dan P. McAdams, who has studied the personalities of presidents including Trump, whom he views an as extreme example of the dominance style deployed by alpha chimpanzees. Leadership by dominance is more primal than the other main kind of leadership, which is based on expertise.

They spoke to a psychologist who compared his leadership style to that of an alpha chimpanzee. What do you see in that that probably isn't there ?


What I saw is that we're discussing Trump = chimpanzee without considering the similarity to the nasty racist African = gorilla.
 
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ironcates wrote:
I wonder if a conservative would've posted about Obama being the alpha chimp what kind of response there would be in rsp. I guess it's only classy to compare conservatives to apes and sleesaks.


Not classy. Enoch was a stand up dude.

 
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/opinions/working-for-trump-rep...

Interesting article that sums up Trumps leadership style quite accurately, describing him as the alpha chimpanzee. But one only has to look at Spicer, to realize that people that work for him sacrifice their professional reputations, and possibly personal ethics, by working for the man. There are no other views in the Trump administration, no expertise to be consulted. Trump does not want experts advising him. He looks down upon them, as being part of the problem with the system (at least the perceived problem in his mind). He rules by dominance, but, like the chimpanzee example, it is only a matter of time before the underlings either wise up, and leave, or take control of the situation by force. In this case, force could be impeachment, or simply what's going on now, the endless (although justified) investigations that neuter his ability to accomplish anything meaningful.


other option: The next article describes him as the alpha lemming.
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Always, always, ALWAYS distrust psychological/psychiatric analysis of an individual that lacks in-depth interviews and one-on-one observation of the subject. Psych was my first major in college, and these kind of third-person psychological analyses makes my skin crawl.

Besides, you don't need a doctorate in behavior to understand Trump's leadership style. He is, after all, little more than a salesman. He is very convincing when trying to sell something, even if he doesn't believe in it himself. He will garner just enough expertise to sell something, then rely on his instincts and ability to overpower facts by sheer force of will. Because he understands his own slippery relationship to the truth, he tends to have a small number of extremely-trusted advisors and friends, and will depend on them far more than others with more knowledge in whatever field is being discussed at the moment. Because he depends on his ability to "win" not just for physical needs (food, housing, money, toys) but also to buttress his ego against the doubts he secretly understands are due to his ability to circumvent facts and truth, any defeat, any personal or professional slight, will elicit a response disproportionate to the initial slight.
 
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I understand that they are not trying to be offensive, but "alpha chimp" is a bit much. "dictatorial authoritarian" gets the job done and doesn't create a distracting conversation about if it's OK to refer to a president as a kind of monkey (hint: no).
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