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Hi, i am Orga of a Boardgameevent to highly gifted people organisation.

What Games would you recommend? Should be without any dice or card draw luck.
"Mathgames" are good.

on my List for now:

Terra Mystica
Russian Railroads
Mombasa
 
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Power Grid is about as mathy as it gets
Chicago Express and Acquire are interesting stock games with very little luck.
 
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Daniel Corban
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Power Grid honed my mental math skills to the maximum.

I do question why "gifted" signifies skill in or enjoyment of "math".

I am also skeptical of someone who just typed in "testester test test" to hurriedly create a BGG account. cool

Edit: apparently BGG doesn't support the emoji font.
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did they stop teaching probability in gifted class?
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dcorban wrote:

I do question why "gifted" signifies skill in or enjoyment of "math".

I am also skeptical of someone who just typed in "testester test test" to hurriedly create a BGG account. cool


oh yes i dont use my real name in a online forum, blame me...

btt:
did you ever play Ora at Labora or Russian Railroads with someone they work as mathematical optimizer and Master of Science mathematical physics ? i do, and that is not funny as a "normal" guy.

I just ask for multiplayer games without luck, thats all.
 
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It's an old game, but you might enjoy Rithmomachy if you can track down a copy.
 
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I'm nervous of the categorisation of 'gifted' at the best of times. Gift at what, exactly?

I have a mathematically gifted friend - got firsts in 2 math degrees and a PhD in physics (at Cambridge). Bright guy. He dabbles in some game design and is always looking to create a luckless game that others would want to play with him. Frankly it is pointless playing such a game with him as the result is predetermined. He is an exceptional puzzle solver. Fortunately he has weaknesses which mean that he is beat-able in all sorts of games. And is strangely weak at some heavier games where the rest of us expect him to excel.

So - if you want to test these 'gifted' individuals to produce a champion problem solver then go down the luckless route. If, however, you want to engage them in a rich social interaction that also challenges their minds then perhaps consider something that emphasises other dynamics.

I recommend Dominant Species. By no means a 'math' game - but plenty heavy.


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A "heavy" game you say? This one, Ogre (Kickstarter "Designer's Edition") is 29 pounds of goodness.
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Try looking for games with a high 'weight' rating.

But to reiterate what has been said, it really depends on the person. I'm technically 'gifted' and I dislike math heavy games, and prefer ridiculous silly ones like Camel Up. My similarly gifted friend is impossible to play games with because he has such severe AP that he is unable to make any decisions at all.

Edit: fat fingers
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Seems like this would be a good use for the Mensa Select list:

https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Mensa_Select
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Struggle of Empires. Gifted people know how to work the room, this is good practice.
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rshipley wrote:
Seems like this would be a good use for the Mensa Select list:

https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Mensa_Select


Interesting thing is, almost all of those games violate constraints of the OP.

My suggestions (in descending order):

Ricochet Robots

Ubongo

Innovation

Splendor

Outpost

Crude: The Oil Game

Code 777

Labyrinth

Tsuro

Enigma


I teach a computer science class to highly gifted individuals and these games are the ones my students find the most engaging.
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Bagherra wrote:
rshipley wrote:
Seems like this would be a good use for the Mensa Select list:

https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Mensa_Select


Interesting thing is, almost all of those games violate constraints of the OP.



Indeed I can't help but wonder if the OP is projecting his personal bugaboos on the group (and by implication, on the concept of gifted) but rather than derail, I'll suggest High Frontier
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Caylus has no luck. And one of My favorite games ever.

However, being a highly gifted person myself, I don't like math and I don't mind a bit of luck in games in general. I also don't mind a goofy game now and then. Yet I prefere a game with a small random element to spice up a good thinky game. Games like; Nations, Bruxelles, Citadells, Targi, Suburbia, El grande, Between two cities, Battlestar Galactica, Puerto Rico.
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You might also want to tighten up your scope to 2 player games if you are trying to eliminate luck and randomness as games tend to become more random with more players.

I think you would be better off with a bit of luck and randomness, rather than none as life can be quite random at times. If you are trying to make this a learning experience, randomness should definitely be something that is not excluded. Many times in life even with the best laid plans things go terribly wrong.
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Ah! You want games of skill which test players' ability to solve classical physics problems, such as PitchCar or Bling Bling Gemstone.

If you find that games which give an unlimited amount of time to solve the physics problems just aren't enough of a challenge for your highly gifted crowd, check out games with a real-time puzzle element such as Dr. Eureka. (To eliminate that game's very minor luck element, simply shuffle & lay out 4n+1 cards so that everyone can see the order in which the formulas must be completed.)
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I would avoid strategy only games. They just price who can think ahead the most. I don't see the fun of always beating someone or always getting beat down. A little luck evens the playing field so everyone can enjoy the game.

That said, Five Tribes is good for people who like puzzles due to the meeple movement but it still has other elements and some randomness for people that don't.
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Food Chain Magnate has no luck after board setup. The game rewards calculation of your decision tree in regards to deciding between more cutthroat options to reduce opponent income (points) vs concentrating on maximizing your own income. I highly recommend this game based on your recommendation request.
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sgreasby wrote:
I would avoid strategy only games. They just price who can think ahead the most. I don't see the fun of always beating someone or always getting beat down. A little luck evens the playing field so everyone can enjoy the game.


This thread is just filled with stuff that annoys me, including this and the OPs use of 'gifted' to mean 'numerate'.
If you are looking for interesting multi-player takes on low randomness games then Knizia's Tutankhamun is fun, Puerto Rico and Civilization (original version) are both very close to low lock (CCiv comes with a fun card counting element), but I would particularly recommend either Hare & Tortoise or Diplomacy (Gunboat variant with no negotiation).
If you have players that enjoy flexing the mental muscles associated with analytic thinking you actually want relatively light games (which is why Chess and Go, both very light, are so popular). As a rule heavy games (things like the recent Scythe) are attempting to reward a different set of skills (memorisation and familiarity) necessary to absorb large rule books (which plenty of people, especially in what I think of their 'teenage' phase of boardgaming, enjoy a lot but is not what you are asking about).
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I probably have the highest IQ on BGG, and my favorite game is Luchador! Mexican Wrestling Dice
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RobertBr wrote:
(which is why Chess and Go, both very light, are so popular)

LOL
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Why? Because even "gifted" people should at least try to enjoy a variety of things and realize that distinguishing yourself and dividing people between "gifted" or "non-gifted" is absolutely disgusting
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