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This is a list of informative links to help us counter the systematic destruction of our nation by the current republican government.

First, what matters the most, money and votes:

https://townhallproject.com gives the nearest congressional town halls, so that constituents can voice their concerns directly to their representatives.

https://swingleft.org/ searches for the user’s nearest swing district. Then, users can support their local races by helping with the campaign, donating money, or even running for office, all to help take back Democratic control of the House in 2018.

https://contribute.itstarts.today/2018 subscription-based fundraising PAC that donates to the campaigns of every Democratic nominee for all 468 seats up for election in 2018. Users can select a monthly fee (in increments of $4.68) that will be donated evenly to every candidate.

https://5calls.org/ provides numbers to officials based on the user’s location and offers easy scripts to follow.

(A really fun one: let's do some tele-marketing calls to Trump businesses: https://whitehouseinc.org/ )

A boycott list of businesses linked to the Trump family: https://grabyourwallet.org/

Purely informative websites:
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/
http://trumptax.me/
https://medium.com/@maxbraun/this-machine-turns-trump-tweets...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i9o8CR_kjJ6mBd44k6CR...

All these links can be found here: http://www.newsweek.com/resistance-apps-562666

Please share them around you -
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Thank you for this. I will add to it, when I'm sober.
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Unfortunately, we will not see significant improvements by hoping for the corporatist democrats to save us.
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LightRider wrote:
Unfortunately, we will not see significant improvements by hoping for the corporatist democrats to save us.

So what is your plan?
Given that you are starting in a representative democratic republic with very few people agreeing with you.
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DavidDearlove wrote:
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Unfortunately, we will not see significant improvements by hoping for the corporatist democrats to save us.

So what is your plan?
Given that you are starting in a representative democratic republic with very few people agreeing with you.

David, I agree with him and I think there are a lot more than "very few" who agree with us.

All the Bernie voters who didn't vote for Hillary agree with us and that is at least 20% of the electorate. Maybe 30%.

Many of them/us don't vote because we see that it makes little difference.

Pres. Obama was a huge disappointment for me. It took a few mon. to get Al Frankin seated in the Senate. Then where was no rush to do things. Then 2 mo. later Sen. Kennedy died as expected. So, the filibuster proof Senate was gone until the election in Jan. to replace him. Which the Dem lost due to over confidence or 'taking dive' to let the Repub win if she was bought off.
. . And there went all the hope for change because the Repubs refused to work with the Dems for the good of the nation in the crisis.

That led to the "Hopeful Dems" staying home in 2010 which caused that disasters election for the Dems [even at the state level].

If Pres. Obama had spent the 1st year getting a lot of things done, it might have enthused the Hopeful Dems and they might have given him some more Sen. and Congressmen, not less.

Etc.

The Hopeful Dems became the Bernie voters and now they are the Discouraged Dems.

As for a plan, it would take a massive movement of young voters into the Dem Party to take it back for the People. And even then if we were taken for a ride by Pres. Obama how can we trust any current Dem politician to now be a stealth sellout like Obama.
. . There are already several groups working on a solution. I saw a YouTube video of one who wants to start a new Party that aims to grab over half of the current Dems and all the Progressive Independents to have a new majority coalition. He said the Republicans did it to the Federalists back in 1856 to 1860. He said don't rely on the media, they are corporatist sellouts mostly. We would have to go around the media and the current Parties.
. . It will take people in the streets. That will show the fence sitters that things are happening. Take your own videos and post them on the web. Etc.


My rallying cry is Gov. of the People, by the People and for THE People.

Of the People means new faces in Congress.
By the People means the people choose the Reps. not the rich doners.
For THE People means for the good of the mass of the people not for the 1%.
. . Direct action to lift the people up, no waiting for a rising tide to lift the boats of the people. A large net worth tax to pull the 1% down or drive them out of our nation and to get cash to give to everyone and forgive all student debt, etc.
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Steve1501 wrote:
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LightRider wrote:
Unfortunately, we will not see significant improvements by hoping for the corporatist democrats to save us.

So what is your plan?
Given that you are starting in a representative democratic republic with very few people agreeing with you.

David, I agree with him and I think there are a lot more than "very few" who agree with us.

All the Bernie voters who didn't vote for Hillary agree with us and that is at least 20% of the electorate. Maybe 30%.

Many of them/us don't vote because we see that it makes little difference.

Pres. Obama was a huge disappointment for me. It took a few mon. to get Al Frankin seated in the Senate. Then where was no rush to do things. Then 2 mo. later Sen. Kennedy died as expected. So, the filibuster proof Senate was gone until the election in Jan. to replace him. Which the Dem lost due to over confidence or 'taking dive' to let the Repub win if she was bought off.
. . And there went all the hope for change because the Repubs refused to work with the Dems for the good of the nation in the crisis.

That led to the "Hopeful Dems" staying home in 2010 which caused that disasters election for the Dems [even at the state level].

If Pres. Obama had spent the 1st year getting a lot of things done, it might have enthused the Hopeful Dems and they might have given him some more Sen. and Congressmen, not less.

Etc.

The Hopeful Dems became the Bernie voters and now they are the Discouraged Dems.

As for a plan, it would take a massive movement of young voters into the Dem Party to take it back for the People. And even then if we were taken for a ride by Pres. Obama how can we trust any current Dem politician to now be a stealth sellout like Obama.
. . There are already several groups working on a solution. I saw a YouTube video of one who wants to start a new Party that aims to grab over half of the current Dems and all the Progressive Independents to have a new majority coalition. He said the Republicans did it to the Federalists back in 1856 to 1860. He said don't rely on the media, they are corporatist sellouts mostly. We would have to go around the media and the current Parties.
. . It will take people in the streets. That will show the fence sitters that things are happening. Take your own videos and post them on the web. Etc.


My rallying cry is Gov. of the People, by the People and for THE People.

Of the People means new faces in Congress.
By the People means the people choose the Reps. not the rich doners.
For THE People means for the good of the mass of the people not for the 1%.
. . Direct action to lift the people up, no waiting for a rising tide to lift the boats of the people. A large net worth tax to pull the 1% down or drive them out of our nation and to get cash to give to everyone and forgive all student debt, etc.

LightRider doesn't want this manifesto, he wants a Marxist planned state.
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That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.

The recent genius of right wing parties at persuading the working classes to vote for them whilst doing nothing for them is staggering.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.


Please explain to us why what works in Denmark doesn't work in the US, when it is also what works in Germany, France etc ... ?

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?
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Tegarend wrote:
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That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.


Please explain to us why what works in Denmark doesn't work in the US, when it is also what works in Germany, France etc ... ?

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


I'm not going to address that, I'm just going to note you don't get anywhere without recognising that the US is different. In the sense that if there's an outlier compared to most rich industrialised nations, the US is usually that outlier.

You can see this in that its mainstream politics does not go as far left. And in significant differences in things like healthcare, guns, and death penalty. That religion is particularly strong in the US (especially after its major drops in countries like Ireland where it used to be even stronger). And the US even mostly watches different sports. If you look at statistics like imprisonment and inequality, the US is at one end of the table, and US workers/citizen have ceded or failed to gain things like unemployment and privacy protections compared to elsewhere (even if elsewhere may not be that strong).

Note that, here, I'm not trying to argue which is better (though you might guess what I think). But I'd expect an American and a German (say) to agree things are different. (I'd then expect some of the Americans to want to narrow the gap, and some to widen it, but that's again not my point.)

Now why, that's a hard question with no simple answer (lots of factors are relevant,there is no simple why).
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Oh, but that's "just" ideology. I thought BG1976 meant something tangible when he said "what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US", and I wanted to know exactly what .
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Tegarend wrote:
BoardGamer1976 wrote:
That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.


Please explain to us why what works in Denmark doesn't work in the US, when it is also what works in Germany, France etc ... ?

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


Sockpuppets never explain.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.


I too would love to hear more about why you feel that's the case. Could you cite some reasons why you believe that policies that work in Denmark wouldn't work here ? Thanks for feedback.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.
I'm not seeing a case of why we can't think it will work better in the U.S.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
That's messed up...

I'll be volunteering and voting for candidates that put working class American families and our values first. Which means never voting for a democrat at the federal level and really vetting all Republicans to make sure they share my values. And making sure that Bernie Sanders and his socialism BS is relegated to the dustbin of history. Sorry, but what works in Denmark isn't going to work in the US.


Please do write us from whatever Nirvana Trump's administration relocates you to. I'm sure there will be milk, honey, and jerbs.... oh, and good, ole-fashioned values.
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The recent genius of right wing parties at persuading the working classes to vote for them whilst doing nothing for them is staggering.


Who needs living wages or affordable health care when we can build walls and registries to stick it to brown people?
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DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
Unfortunately, we will not see significant improvements by hoping for the corporatist democrats to save us.

So what is your plan?
Given that you are starting in a representative democratic republic with very few people agreeing with you.


I advocate for a resource based economy. In the meantime...

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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
Tegarend wrote:

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


For example, …[b]asic respect for Christianity, …

Um, excuse me. Jews have been in he US since before there was a US. That could be said of other religions too. Why should Christianity be singled out?
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Tegarend wrote:

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


For example, …[b]asic respect for Christianity, …

Um, excuse me. Jews have been in he US since before there was a US. That could be said of other religions too. Why should Christianity be singled out?


'Cause Jeebus, you pagan! laugh

To be frank, failure to recognize the viewpoint of the millions of people who agree, even agree wholeheartedly, with BG1976 is one of the major factors in the decline of the Democratic Party and the increasing isolationism of the Liberal Left in American politics. Regardless of the "rightness" of the Liberal Left's social agenda, its dismissal of the concerns of ordinary working-class Americans -- in fact, it's near contempt of those people and their values -- have been a boon to a Republican Party that otherwise would have faded into irrelevance during the 1970s and 1980s.

That being said, engagement with people of BG1976's ilk would have been constructive if the high-handedness of the Liberal Left could have been squelched. Gun rights, for instance. In the Bill of Rights, there is not one other amendment that includes the word "regulation," but there it is in the first paragraph of the 2nd Amendment. It could have been a compromise position from the Left that gun ownership is a right, but regulation of gun ownership is also required, to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mental defectives as well as those too young to vote. Yet the Liberal Left, at its loud extreme, insisted on almost complete bans of all types of firearms, and would brook no other position as having the slightest shred of validity.
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I beg to differ. The traditional American values let Christians be Christians and Jews be Jews (well, as long as we can be ignored if they want to) but flatly refuses to acknowledge anyone else exists unless the point is pressed.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
Tegarend wrote:

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


For example, the right to keep and bear arms and defend ones self with them if necessary. The wealthy elites living in the upper eastside of Manhattan or in fancy gated communities all over the country can't understand why we want to protect ourselves and our families.

Basic respect for Christianity, not talking about indoctrination but simple things like letting a student pray at a high school graduation ceremony, or not forcing a baker to make a cake for an event that they have moral qualms with.

The other issue is the leftist/progressive/democrat war on the industries so many working class people depend on for their livelihood. Coal, oil, timber, and tobacco. While I realize that the executives of these companies are grossly overpaid, those on the left refuse to acknowledge that it's the workers who feel the brunt of their overreaching regulations.

These are the reasons that I'd guess 90% of the union workforce at my employer (in an important battleground state) voted for Trump and I'm sure the results were similar in the heavily unionized workplaces in the rust belt as well.


So, basically the values of violence, intolerance, white supremacy and climate destruction.

What I expected, but good to hear. No need to engage with you, then.
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The other issue is the leftist/progressive/democrat war on the industries so many working class people depend on for their livelihood. Coal, oil, timber, and tobacco. While I realize that the executives of these companies are grossly overpaid, those on the left refuse to acknowledge that it's the workers who feel the brunt of their overreaching regulations.


Ten years ago, Ontario instituted a policy of shutting down all the coal-fired power plants. Since then, there have been no - zero - none - nada - smog alerts in Toronto and my wife has not been hospitalized once for asthma. Tobacco and coal in particular are industries with a high cost in health and lives. When you pause to think that all the miners deaths and pollution caused by coal can be replaced by safer and cleaner natural gas, or even by solar or wind power, it makes it hard to take a stand on behalf of coal miners. That's an industry thats time has come.

And having lost both parents to lung cancer, I will not pretend to have a rational view of the tobacco industry. I would suggest that every participant should be fed through wood chippers. After being coated in lemon juice and salt for maximum pain.
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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
The other issue is the leftist/progressive/democrat war on the industries so many working class people depend on for their livelihood. Coal, oil, timber, and tobacco. While I realize that the executives of these companies are grossly overpaid, those on the left refuse to acknowledge that it's the workers who feel the brunt of their overreaching regulations.
Why do you think the left tries to regulate these industries? Why do you characterize it as a "war"? Do you think that if they were clean and responsible, but rich, the left would still "attack" them? It's the abuses of these companies that draws the attention of regulation. There isn't a yearly liberal meeting where people decide what industries to "attack" this year.

Those industries have been making profits on the suffering of Americans and America for decades and longer. Yes there are people who depend on them for livelihoods, but we can't poison each other, our soil and our air because some people make their livelihoods making and burning the poison. If your neighbor burned coal in an open pit in his back yard to heat his house and keep his elderly mother and children warm, but made your house black with soot and your children cough black chucks every night/morning, do you think that you might ask him to find some other way to heat his home? Don't you think that is reasonable?
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I would suggest that every participant should be fed through wood chippers. After being coated in lemon juice and salt for maximum pain.


Clarification please: One presumes you mean your suggestion figuratively rather than literally, or are you in fact advocating murder here?


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BoardGamer1976 wrote:
Tegarend wrote:

What are the "values" of "working class American families" (nice generalisation there) that is so antithetical to being a democrat?


For example, the right to keep and bear arms and defend ones self with them if necessary. The wealthy elites living in the upper eastside of Manhattan or in fancy gated communities all over the country can't understand why we want to protect ourselves and our families.

Basic respect for Christianity, not talking about indoctrination but simple things like letting a student pray at a high school graduation ceremony, or not forcing a baker to make a cake for an event that they have moral qualms with.

The other issue is the leftist/progressive/democrat war on the industries so many working class people depend on for their livelihood. Coal, oil, timber, and tobacco. While I realize that the executives of these companies are grossly overpaid, those on the left refuse to acknowledge that it's the workers who feel the brunt of their overreaching regulations.

These are the reasons that I'd guess 90% of the union workforce at my employer (in an important battleground state) voted for Trump and I'm sure the results were similar in the heavily unionized workplaces in the rust belt as well.


Good post.

One correction, coal is being killed by fracking and excess natural gas. Natural gas is cheaper than coal. It's anti-capitalistic to use socialism to keep coal workers working on something no longer desired by the market.

And waiting just around the corner is the fact that 96% of coal mining jobs can be automated.

http://www.mining.com/study-shows-96-of-some-mining-jobs-can...

But some good points other than that.
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I would suggest that every participant should be fed through wood chippers. After being coated in lemon juice and salt for maximum pain.


Clarification please: One presumes you mean your suggestion figuratively rather than literally, or are you in fact advocating murder here?


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If people are found guilty of the crime of knowingly participating in the killings of millions of people for profit and are condemned to death, it no longer becomes murder but legal execution.

But just in case there are any lawyers reading this, I am speaking figuratively and not actually calling for the murders of people who deserve to die agonizingly and painfully over a period of months.

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But fuck the evil bastards in the tobacco industry and their victimization complex. Every goddamn one of them.
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