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A lot of historical wargaming is heavily concentrated on events that took place in Europe or America, either during the 18th to 20th century, or Ancient Greek or Rome.

Once you remove these usual topics, what do you have left ?

What wargames do you play that are out of the scope of this usual stuff ?

EDIT: put some words in bold, as they don't seem to be noticed. whistle
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A game that I enjoy is Guelphs and Ghibellines, which recreates battles that took place in Italy during the 13th century.



Complexity level is between Men of Iron and Musket and Pike.

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Mallet wrote:
What wargames do you play that are out of the scope of the usual stuff ?


Not play for it hasn't been released yet but eagerly awaiting Maori Wars: The New Zealand Land Wars, 1845-1872.
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I'd consider the "usual" topics to be Ancient Rome/Greece, Napoleonics, American Civil War, and WWII. Other conflicts, such as Am. Rev., WWI, and Cold War conflicts (Vietnam, Korea) have enough coverage that it's not unusual for people to game them.

Beyond those topic areas, I really enjoy games about the 7 Years War (Clash of Monarchs, Wilderness War, and Battles from the Age of Reason (BAR)).

Also: A lot of the Great Battles of History games hit topics that are outside the typical subjects for ancients. Although the GMT COIN Series is popular, a lot of the topics are not among the usual suspects. With the exception of Brian Train and some magazine games, counterinsurgency is severely under represented. Musket & Pike Battle Series is another relatively popular series covering an otherwise ignored period (30YW). Nothing Gained But Glory games the Scanian War.

Of games that are not well-known and non-mainstream topics, The Battle of Adobe Walls and the other two games in the series (which slips my mind at the moment) are relatively obscure.

Pax Porfiriana, Pax Pamir, Pax Renaissance, Lords of the Sierra Madre (second edition), Lords of the Renaissance, and Lords of the Spanish Main, while not wargames strictly speaking, are excellent treatments of otherwise ungamed topics.
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Mallet wrote:
What wargames do you play that are out of the scope of the usual stuff ?


Avec Infini Regret. French religion wars, 1562-1587. (A 2° chapter is out, too)

Tactical, it's a simplified version of Ben Hull's Musket & Pike system. There is a sweet "action & reaction" roll to break the turn sequence, to change orders etc.

Great granularity in the degrading combat effectiveness (4 steps). Overall simple rules, extraordinary quality (individual pics for each counter, gorgeous maps), fast & fun.


Ascari. Ahem - I wrote a review for it... it's a nice system.
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or RAN
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whac3 wrote:
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Samurai

or RAN

or even Sekigahara (masterpiece, imho)
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I also own and play Hammer of the Scots.
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Mallet wrote:

A lot of wargaming is heavily concentrated on events that took place in Europe or America, either during the 18t to 20th century, or Ancient Greek or Rome.

Europe in the 17th century!

I bought and played Gates of Vienna due to reading about it and wondering whether a game existed about it. Coincidentally & conveniently this was published right at that time! (Interesting fun game but seems very unbalanced in favor of the Turks based on a couple plays.)

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And then there's the Middle East during the crusades, e.g. Crusader Rex.
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Mallet wrote:
...what do you have left ?


A recent entry to my wish-list: Tenkatoitsu



EDIT: typo
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About half of my published historical wargame output is outside of your "usual suspects".

Africa/Middle East:
Algeria: The War of Independence 1954-1962
Colonial Twilight: The French-Algerian War, 1954-62
Somalia Interventions
The Next War in Lebanon

Asia:
A Distant Plain
Battle for China
Binh Dinh '69
Korean War Battles
BCT Command: Kandahar
Green Beret
Pusan Perimeter
Kandahar
Redguard

Latin America:
Shining Path: The Struggle for Peru
Tupamaro

North America:
Battle of Seattle
Land of the Free
War Plan Crimson

So, a few things to look at.
Even among the European ones I've done there are some that hadn't been touched before:
Andartes
EOKA
The Little War
Operation Whirlwind

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King Philip's War and Warriors of God and Unhappy King Charles! all fall outside of "the usual topics," and are all really good games that I enjoy.
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I didn't get on with 'Warriors of God' but should have another look at KPW.
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Based on the reviews, just acquired Command's Cortes: Conquest of the Aztec Empire - - Looking forward for a play!


EDIT: In case Cortes is outside the topic . . .

How about Tahiti: Clan Warfare, Polynesia 750 AD? Played it and enjoyed the theme!

EDIT#2: Just thought of another - Zulu Attack - light quick playing game with two pages of rules. But the victory conditions need some help yuk

Still, fun in the African Sun!
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I am really impressed by the huge array of historical wars and battles that have not been covered by Board Wargames up till now, compared to the tremendous redundancy of the topics that have been covered, and covered yet again.

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Of course, in the Miniatures Wargaming realm, they have been covering the past 10 000 years of wars for many decades.

For instance, the upcoming Battle Day of the Society of Ancients in April 2017 will be on the battle of Arsuf 1191 AD (Richard the Lionhearted vs Saladin).

http://www.soa.org.uk/joomla/

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Naturally, I am aware of Arsuf: Lionheart vs. Saladin.



They even managed to convince Eugene Delacroix of doing the box cover.

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Mallet wrote:

I am really impressed by the huge array of historical wars and battles that have not been covered by Board Wargames up till now, compared to the tremendous redundancy of the topics that have been covered, and covered yet again.

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Of course, in the Miniatures Wargaming realm, they have been covering the past 10 000 years of wars for many decades.

For instance, the upcoming Battle Day of the Society of Ancients in April 2017 will be on the battle of Arsuf 1191 AD (Richard the Lionhearted vs Saladin).

http://www.soa.org.uk/joomla/

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Le Lion et l'Epée covers this battle as well and I think it is a very decent game. Don't know if the battle is covered in Infidel as I don't played that game yet but I wouldn't be suprised

Some other great games that aren't mentioned yet:

Tonkin: The First Indochina War (second edition)
Storm Over Dien Bien Phu
Kingdom of Heaven: The Crusader States 1097-1291
The Last King of Scotland
The Road to Cheren
FAB: Golan '73
...




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That leaves me with two I play on a semi regular basis:
The Korean War
Ignorant Armies: Iran-Iraq War
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Here are some quite different games I have absolutely enjoyed.

Avec Infini Regret Dreux 1562, la Roche l'Abeille 1569 and Coutras 1587.
Avec Infini Regret II Ivry 1590, Marc'hallac'h 1591 and Craon 1592
Swords of Sovereignty: Bouvines 1214 – Worringen 1288
The Dauphin and the Sword Dieppe 1443, Saint-Jacques-sur-la-Brise 1444 and Montlhery 1465.
The Truce or the Sword Blanquetaque 1475 and Guinegatte 1479.
Par le feu, le fer et la Foi (By Shot, Shock and Faith) Saint Denis 1567, Jarnac 1569, La Roche l'Abeille 1569, Coutras 1587 and Arques 1589.
Le Lion et l'Epée (The Lion and the Sword) Tremithusa and Arsuf 1191.

These are all excellent games. They're produced in France but have either English versions or English rules included in a dual language rule book if needed. Available from www.hexasim.com, www.ludifolie.com and www.vaevictismag.fr
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Starship Troopers


BattleFleet Mars


Not nearly as often as I'd like for either of them, but both offer great moments of tension.

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tanik wrote:

Starship Troopers


BattleFleet Mars


Not nearly as often as I'd like for either of them, but both offer great moments of tension.



Not very historical, though ... whistle
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Mallet wrote:
tanik wrote:

Starship Troopers


BattleFleet Mars


Not nearly as often as I'd like for either of them, but both offer great moments of tension.



Not very historical, though ... whistle


Yet...
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While the majority of my collection covers those usual topics you mentioned, some of my favorite games handle topics outside of the WW2/ACW/Napoleonics/Ancients range. My top ten (in no particular order):










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