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As someone who knows how much effort it takes to paint a regiment, I don't see not going for prepaints as an error or missed opportunity. But if the miniatures require assembly - and in rank and file they should, for variability - why not go for coloured plastic? I can certainly see casting each miniature in several parts of different coloured plastic, which would have an effect comparable to basic prepaints, but more neat, not obscuring the details and raising the cost considerably.

With same careful consideration in army and unit selection, it should be doable, and both of the initial armies seem like good candidates. Skeletons can easily be cast in bone colour + some snap on clothes on back and front, armoured knights in silver with standing out shields and crests would also beat grey blobs.

Of course, this means increased complexity of assembly, but as some of it is involved anyway, it doesn't feel like a deal breaker, and the only thing required is super glue you likely already have or can get for peanuts anywhere. The complexity of the project and mini design would also go up, but when casting whole regiments, the choice of doing various parts of the mini in separate frames/shots seems viable, and it would have the added benefit of enabling more complex and interesting sculpts, somewhat offsetting the additional cost.

With a sprayed-on shade and drybrush, which is a fast (and thus financially viable) way of making presentable army, I would argue that the result wouldn't be far from the 'three colours up' standard, offer a significant advantage to people not painting themselves, and no disadvantage to those who do (and plastic in a colour close to the final paintjob is always a good thing).
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Looks like that's exactly what they are doing with A Song of Ice & Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game – Stark vs Lannister Starter Set, which I would see as a direct competitor to Runewars.

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Colored plastics was another suggestion I made. Privateer Press adopted this method in their most-recent re-tool of their starter boxes. Makes it easy to identify each side, and if you are interested in the game and not the painting, it gives a very rudimentary aesthetic to the table.

I am following Song of Ice and Fire . . . interested to see the mechanics, though. What excites me most about Runewars is that FFG is a great game design company that knows how to interject interesting decision-making in the games along with tension and balance. That is their primary strength. What makes me cautious is FFG's penchant for nuking entire game lines, often with very short lead times to maximize the sell off of product before they drop it from production. This practice is what has me holding off. If Runewars Miniatures is still around in 2-3 years, I might be a candidate.

Now that I know about Song of Ice and Fire, my decision is only bolstered. But I am much more cautious with this newly announced game: gotta see a demo and maybe some rules before I'll plan on buying in. They've got to have a good game in there, not just a bunch of pretty minis. But unlike the Terrinoth setting, Song of Ice and Fire has an automatic fan-base to draw from. I am a rabid Geo. R. R. Martin fan (not just of the Song of Ice and Fire series, but also the SIFRPG, board games based on the setting, I've read lots of his other fiction, too). So this product, once word gets out, will have thousands of fans checking it out to see. I hope they make a good game that is evocative of the battle scenes in the books.
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Or just colored bases. The figure can remain grey and then put a colored ring around the base or whatever.
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Huh, I wonder how CMON got the license for a Game of Thrones game. Thought FFG owned that...

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shnar wrote:
Huh, I wonder how CMON got the license for a Game of Thrones game. Thought FFG owned that...

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Seems a lot of these licenses can go for (1) just a specific product, or (2) a category of products - like "boardgames", or (3) a total license, which is pretty rare for the higher-value IP. I mean look at Star Trek and all the companies with licensing deals. Or Star Wars products, etc. FFG only had a license for WH40K non-miniature stuff, and there was a dispute over IA and Armada -- because FFG only had a license for miniatures games and they had IA listed under a boardgame or something . . . I think the takeaway is that the IP stuff can get complicated.
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I'm guessing the choice of gray plastic throughout was likely due to visuals. With colored plastic it can be much harder to see the details on the miniatures which can make the product look inferior. With the price set the way it is, you want the quality of the miniatures to be perceived and not glossed over.
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If you're not into painting and the hobby side of miniatures, you have BattleLore with colored plastic. Presumably, you won't play Runewars unless you are looking forward to painting your miniatures (or having someone paint them for you).
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Or you are playing it because you want a richer game than Battlelore. It's perfectly fine to play most minis game with unpainted minis - of the companies I'm aware of only GW has any sort of painting requirement for official play (i.e. - tournaments, etc...) and in unofficial play you can do what you like anyway.
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Single coloured minis are actually quite common. I was thinking about minis coposed from parts of different sprues in different colours. So bone-coloured skelletons + purple torso rags + bronze shield. Seeing how people complain about FFG quickly dropping support for their system games, I think that many people looking to invest in a large wargame would pick something from a publisher actually commited to their system.

Killing a board game after one expansion is one thing, but spending several hunderd dollars and hours on an army to see an incompatible śecond edition in 3-5 years is another. If they were able to lower that limit, for example by jaking the game ready to play from the box, including multicolour minis, it, I could see myself and others give it a try.
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doerrhb wrote:
Looks like that's exactly what they are doing with A Song of Ice & Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game – Stark vs Lannister Starter Set, which I would see as a direct competitor to Runewars.


Yep.

Minis are pre-assembled, making the barrier to entry even lower to boardgamers. IP's certainly stronger than Terrinath (sp), if only for gamers to ask how well the game treats the IP (fwiw, it's based on the books). AFAIK, CMON dropped Wrath of Kings, so dunno how much dedication CMON (or FFG for that matter) will have for their miniatures wargame.

For more discussion, see the Dakka forums: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720705.page...




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doerrhb wrote:
Looks like that's exactly what they are doing with A Song of Ice & Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game – Stark vs Lannister Starter Set, which I would see as a direct competitor to Runewars.

Yikes. As if I needed another wargame to have an interest in... And I don't own anything by CMON so far (because fuck Kickstarter exclusives), but the minis seem to be living up to their reputation.

shnar wrote:
Huh, I wonder how CMON got the license for a Game of Thrones game. Thought FFG owned that...

Why? To make use of the easiest comparison: Fantasy Flight owns the licenses to card and board games set in Westeros and Middle-Earth, but RPGs for both are done by others, as are Middle-Earth wargames, so why wouldn't Westeros wargames be?

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I'm guessing the choice of gray plastic throughout was likely due to visuals. With colored plastic it can be much harder to see the details on the miniatures which can make the product look inferior. With the price set the way it is, you want the quality of the miniatures to be perceived and not glossed over.

That makes no sense as FFG never show unpainted miniatures for this game to begin with. Single-colored armies would lower the psychological barrier to entry at no discernible detriment, and it's not as if Runewars were likely to ever flow over with factions needing different colors. I guess grey plastic might be somewhat cheaper simply because everyone's using it, but injecting different colors into the moulds for the starter set could only be beneficial, cf. current Blood Bowl.

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Single coloured minis are actually quite common. I was thinking about minis coposed from parts of different sprues in different colours. So bone-coloured skelletons + purple torso rags + bronze shield.

That would considerably increase assembly from next to none to quite extensive, though. Single-colored ought to suffice for any that have no interest in the hobby aspect.

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(fwiw, it's based on the books)

Thank the Seven.

However, as much as I love the books and their setting, being all humans, it's basically just one step removed from historical wargaming which barely interests me at all for this very reason. Only real exceptions are mammoths and giants in wildling armies and a handful of skinchangers. And Wildfire, I guess. All other magic either has no notable combat value (seers, Children) or is utterly overpowered (dragons, Others). Maybe if they included Essos (specifically Asshai), I'd be more inclined to assemble an army, but that's very unlikely to happen anywhen soon if indeed ever.

Anyway, a look on the box cover on its BGG page reveals that Dark Sword Miniatures, i.e. the guys that have been making ASoIaF miniatues (mostly for diorama purposes) for many, many years, are involved. Whether that's out of a commendable desire for consistency or a license-related legal necessity, either way it's a positive in my book.
 
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If there are neutral characters, or cross faction (like the elf unit special already revealed), then the colored plastics end up just being kind of jumbled in play.
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Good point. Still, those would only be special cases and certainly not applicable for the starter set(s).
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That makes no sense as FFG never show unpainted miniatures for this game to begin with. Single-colored armies would lower the psychological barrier to entry at no discernible detriment, and it's not as if Runewars were likely to ever flow over with factions needing different colors. I guess grey plastic might be somewhat cheaper simply because everyone's using it, but injecting different colors into the moulds for the starter set could only be beneficial, cf. current Blood Bowl.


I'm not talking about pictures of product online or for promotional reasons, I'm talking about seeing people actually playing it in stores. Fan pictures on social media, etc.

It's a big reason why Sergeants Miniatures Game: Day of Days launched as a prepainted product, because they wanted people who saw it being played to be drawn in. It's also one of the main reasons GW requires armies be painted at tournaments.

As an example, the main pictures that stick in my head of this game are from Jamie (Secret Cabal) and Joel Eddy who have both been posting pictures on Twitter. You guessed it, unpainted minis. Jamie's in particular were multi-angle closeups of the minis trying to show off the sculpts and detail.
 
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