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Matt Halowell

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Hey guys,

I have been interested in this game for a while as I don't have any similar head-to-head card games like it. Do you guys feel like the base game alone provides enough variety for casual play? I will probably be playing mostly with random friends/family and won't have a consistent opponent. From all the videos I've watched this game seems easier to learn than say Netrunner, hopefully making it easier to jump into for pick up games, but still have the depth that will have me coming back to try out new strategies.

Thanks!
 
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For casual play, absolutely. You get a lot of variety out of the six base decks, and there are plenty of good deck-building cards without the need to buy expansions.
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mhalowel wrote:
Hey guys,

I have been interested in this game for a while as I don't have any similar head-to-head card games like it. Do you guys feel like the base game alone provides enough variety for casual play? I will probably be playing mostly with random friends/family and won't have a consistent opponent. From all the videos I've watched this game seems easier to learn than say Netrunner, hopefully making it easier to jump into for pick up games, but still have the depth that will have me coming back to try out new strategies.

Thanks!


Yes - I think the base game is more than enough for casual play. It comes with 6 pre-built decks complete. Unlike FFG's LCGs, the core set comes with everything you need right off the bat to play with full decks. Then you can mix things up if you want wants the 6 main decks have been played out.

And yes, this game is easier to learn than Netrunner.
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Gumps wrote:
And yes, this game is easier to learn than Netrunner.


I'm pretty sure every LCG/can't-call-it-a-LCG out there is easier to learn than Netrunner due to the asymmetry of the game play.
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Very recommended, but - a reprint of the core set should be out soon (I am guessing it's soon, there's no official release date yet) with revised rules and fixes to some cards.
So I recommend you wait so you won't regret getting the older version just before the newer got released.
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The core set is stunning value for one box, a totally different approach than most major publishers take with this type of game. We play this all the time in my house and there is a crap ton of mileage in the core set.

There ARE some minor changes coming in the next printing but they are minor at most. Unless you plan on playing competitive they really aren't going to impact your experience and even league players don't need the newest printing.
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Matt Halowell

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Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the feedback. That's reassuring to hear.
 
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Raphael24 wrote:
Very recommended, but - a reprint of the core set should be out soon (I am guessing it's soon, there's no official release date yet) with revised rules and fixes to some cards.
So I recommend you wait so you won't regret getting the older version just before the newer got released.


Do you maybe have a timeline for this possible reprint?

I am considering getting the same myself!
 
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The announcement was Q3, so could be as soon as July or as late as September if they meet that timeline.
 
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DreadFool wrote:
The announcement was Q3, so could be as soon as July or as late as September if they meet that timeline.


Thank you so much!
 
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Raphael24 wrote:
Very recommended, but - a reprint of the core set should be out soon (I am guessing it's soon, there's no official release date yet) with revised rules and fixes to some cards.
So I recommend you wait so you won't regret getting the older version just before the newer got released.


From a Plaid Hat article on their website:
http://www.plaidhatgames.com/news/775

"Regarding Recent Rumors of the Base Game

Speaking of updates, we've got a few products that will be seeing updated versions! Starting with the next print run of the Ashes base game, a few cards will have updated versions included to clean up certain card text language, correct typos or spelling errors and include the errata version of the Enchanted Violinist ally card. The reason we'd like to address this is to assure our fans that this is not a new version of the base game, or an updated edition. This is simply an effort to improve our previous product with each print run, as is the standard in our industry. Again, to clarify, these changes are very minor. There is no need to purchase a new base game if you already own a copy, as all of your cards will be compatible and tournament legal. We’d like to specifically address a recent leak from New York Toy Fair that listed this new printing of the base game as a “Revised Copy.” The revisions in question are only to improve spelling and typo errors, as well as the Enchanted Violinist. Participants in Ashes Organized Play tournaments are expected to know the most updated version of their cards, as well as all changes or errata from the official FAQ. For those of you that already have the base game, you are not obligated to purchase an updated version from a subsequent print run."

Based on this article, I wouldn't be too concerned about waiting. I am sure any updated rules will be made available for download and the errata card will be available through an OP event. I would jump in and try this game.
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I would strongly suggest buy the core set play games with it for a year and if after that you still want to play more then consider some of the expansion decks. You can easily play heaps of different games with the base set.
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Stade Garibaldi
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I have a similar question:

Is there cards that are too good to not have in all decks?

Meaning that, I would have to buy more than one copy of the base set to have enough copies of said cards to use in all decks simultaneously?
 
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stadegaribaldi wrote:
I have a similar question:

Is there cards that are too good to not have in all decks?

Meaning that, I would have to buy more than one copy of the base set to have enough copies of said cards to use in all decks simultaneously?

There are no cards that you will want in all decks. Primarily because of the different dice types in the game.

There are of course, though, cards that you may find yourself wanting to use in multiple decks. And if you wish to keep multiple decks constructed at all times you may find it gets very expensive very fast.

A better way is to record the make up of your decks, perhaps using the Plaid Hat deckbuilder, and reconstruct them as needed.
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stadegaribaldi wrote:
I have a similar question:

Is there cards that are too good to not have in all decks?

Meaning that, I would have to buy more than one copy of the base set to have enough copies of said cards to use in all decks simultaneously?


Most dice types will have some cards that yes, you want to include in all decks that run that dice type. And some are good enough that you'll be tempted to splash a dice type just to get specific cards. There's also some 'neutrals' that you may want to play in multiple decks, though not neccasarily in everything.

So there's definitely a limit on how many 'optimal' decks you can have at one time. How much of an issue that is for you is a personal thing.
 
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stadegaribaldi wrote:
I have a similar question:

Is there cards that are too good to not have in all decks?

Meaning that, I would have to buy more than one copy of the base set to have enough copies of said cards to use in all decks simultaneously?


Frostback Bear
 
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dYnkYn wrote:
stadegaribaldi wrote:
I have a similar question:

Is there cards that are too good to not have in all decks?

Meaning that, I would have to buy more than one copy of the base set to have enough copies of said cards to use in all decks simultaneously?


Frostback Bear

To be clear, this popular card is from an expansion, not the core.
 
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