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I mentioned this in another thread, but Spicer just echoed this brazen conspiracy theory from Fox News from former Judge Andrew Napolitano. Spicer read this quote verbatim to the press corp.

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So, three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command -- he didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That’s the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them saying President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump, conversations involving President-elect Trump, he is able to get it.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/16/sean-spicer-says-...

This is what passes for "evidence" on "wire tapping." While Napolitano had a respectable career as a judge, he's had his batshit crazy moments. For example, on InfoWars, he once infamously said, "It’s hard for me to believe that it came down by itself...I am gratified to see that people across the board are interested. I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn’t possibly have been done the way the government told us."

And now he's claiming that the President basically got a British spy agency to use their NSA access so Obama wouldn't leave a trail of bread crumbs related to his "wire tapp" of Trump. And Spicer thinks this is evidence.

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This is really getting to the point where Spicer's next statement will be "can you disprove the possiblity that Obama had Satan, the Dark Prince of Hell and Damnation wiretappppp Mr. Trump in direct violation of the constitution as well as Vatican II?"
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This is really getting to the point where Spicer's next statement will be "can you disprove that Obama did not have Satan, the Dark Prince of Hell and Damnation wiretap Mr. Trump in direct violation of the constitution as well as Vatican II?"


Spicer: When President Trump tweeted about Satan wiretapping his phones, he put the "Satan, the Dark Prince of Hell and Damnation" in quotes. Any Satanist will tell you that that's a broad classification related to anyone that doesn't like President Trump, not specifically Satan, like THE Satan. If the press would stop spreading these false and misleading stories about the President's tweets, then this administration could get on with the business of governing. It's just simply baffling why fake news keeps fixating on the words, Satan, Dark Prince, and Damnation as if those weren't CLEARLY in quotes. Only an idiot would take that seriously and ignore the quotes and their clear meaning.
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I haven't seen it, but apparently in his most recent press conference he chastised the press for not covering the possibility that Obama tapped Trump and asked where the press's passion was.
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I haven't seen it, but apparently in his most recent press conference he chastised the press for not covering the possibility that Obama tapped Trump and asked where the press's passion was.


Yes, I watched it. He basically talked for about 5 minutes about various news articles. For example, there are some articles mainly related to a possible FISA warrant from the NY Times related to Russian contacts. But that's been widely reported. I know I was aware of it when this all broke. He threw this in there as well as if it merited the same level of weight. The sad part is that he thinks that this (the Napolitano accusations) should be taken seriously. He concluded that segment of his official statement to say that it all adds up to something, then proceeded to argue with members of the press corp for not reporting various news articles that somehow support the President's twitter accusations. That's what cracks me up about it. He is using news articles to argue that the press is not reporting on Obama wiretap story properly, which is fairly hilarious.

A possible FISA warrant seemed like the most obvious possibility to me from the beginning, because it had been reported way back in January. It's also potentially the most troubling for Trump because anything presented to the judge may get communicated to the press eventually. I don't find the accusations that Obama used a UK spy agency to access NSA data to find dirt on Trump to be anywhere near reasonable. It's pathetic that Spicer brought it up as if it's the press's job to run down every single conspiracy nut theory that some person spouts about on Fox News. The UK has already flat out denied it. What's next? An investigation of the UK? That's convenient for Trump since we have no mechanism to do it so it'll continue to be this story. You know. Like how Obama actually is from Kenya and all.
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Wonder what PM May thinks of her invite to Trump now?
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Wonder what PM May thinks of her invite to Trump now?



What are her priorities?
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Pinook wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
Wonder what PM May thinks of her invite to Trump now?



What are her priorities?

Well what are you on about?
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Why does Trump want to piss off one of his greatest Allies.
He gains one news cycle in the US in return for a serious diplomatic crisis. This is not playing well here.
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The UK has already flat out denied it.


Indeed, GCHQ have stated that it's codswallop:

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A GCHQ spokesman said: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense.

"They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."


So the UK's key intelligence-gathering agency thinks Trump's press secretary (by extension, since he repeated the claims) should be ignored (on this matter, at least). As the BBC article notes, this is extremely unusual behaviour for GCHQ: they generally disdain to comment on such things, and to do so signals their annoyance at the President's media machine attempting to drag them into the administrations petty battles.

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mutton_chops wrote:
Sue_G wrote:
The UK has already flat out denied it.


Indeed, GCHQ have stated that it's codswallop:

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A GCHQ spokesman said: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense.

"They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."


So the UK's key intelligence-gathering agency thinks Trump's press secretary (by extension, since he repeated the claims) should be ignored (on this matter, at least). As the BBC article notes, this is extremely unusual behaviour for GCHQ: they generally disdain to comment on such things, and to do so signals their annoyance at the President's media machine attempting to drag them into the administrations petty battles.


On BBC Radio 4 Today - The UKs flagship news program . The presenter made an issue of how the BBC is doing to respond to fake news. He made it clear that there was no evidence for this claim whatsoever.
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DavidDearlove wrote:
Pinook wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
Wonder what PM May thinks of her invite to Trump now?



What are her priorities?

Well what are you on about?

Britian has been prepared to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned. As exampled by the opium trade graph.

Perhaps the current PM is going to continue with her wooing of Trump?
This would signal a preparedness to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned.

However there is the possibility that May will back off from trying to develop close ties with a POTUS who publically distains decency.

Her actions will depend on her priorities.
 
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Well, it seems that Sean Spicer has now formally apologised to the UK over the GCHQ claims - effectively and tacitly acknowledging that he promulgated a lie. So if the Trump administration accepts the UK didn't "tapp" Trump, and the US intelligence agencies didn't (according to the intelligence agencies themselves, and the Senate Intelligence Committee), surely it must now be clear that Mr. Trump himself is also guilty of promulgating a lie. "Fake news", indeed. I think one might be justified in asking who the real "enemy of the people" is here, when the highest official in the US barefacedly lies to his country, and the world.

What on earth is going on in the US administration? This is now beyond farce. How can Mr. Trumps supporters continue to view their president positively, when it's crystal clear he does not have a firm grip on reality?
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I figured the British angle would bwckfire. You can sling mud at your own people all you like, but if you drag in bystanders things rarely go well. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am glad the Brits didn't just ignore it.
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So if the Trump administration accepts the UK didn't "tapp" Trump, and the US intelligence agencies didn't (according to the intelligence agencies themselves, and the Senate Intelligence Committee)

Perhaps it was the Mexicans, North Koreans, freelance hackers, or even (no, impossible?) the Russians. ninja
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Listening to him at yesterdays press conference was actually painful. He was telling people to calm down, and he was the only one in the room that was actually agitated. Although we all make our own bed to some degree, I gotta wonder if he wakes up in the morning liking his job. It is clear he has no solid evidence to back Trumps claim. Citing conservative news reports as evidence, really? Trump can make one phone call as President to gather all the evidence he needs to make his case. That's not happening, because obviously the claim has no merits.

So onto Step 2 in the farce, lets broaden the definition of 'wiretapping' to 'surveillance' and let's talk about the fact that Flynns convo with Russia was picked up and released (leaked) to the outside world. That way, people will be distracted from the real issue at hand; members of our team have been dirty, speaking and possibly colluding with Russia regarding hacking of the DNC Server, and perhaps influencing the election in other ways yet unknown.

Spicer has no credibility, and looks like a rank amateur at the podium. Trump doesn't have any credibility, except with his die-hard base, who won't be swayed one way or the other, and I suspect he is already the laughing stock of foreign leaders. What a sad state of affairs. But only the beginning, in my opinion, of a possible Watergate size scandal, and if it does not bring down the President, the time consumed in pursuing it will make his reign ineffective, and inconsequential.
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Pinook wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:
Pinook wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
Wonder what PM May thinks of her invite to Trump now?



What are her priorities?

Well what are you on about?

Britian has been prepared to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned. As exampled by the opium trade graph.

Perhaps the current PM is going to continue with her wooing of Trump?
This would signal a preparedness to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned.

However there is the possibility that May will back off from trying to develop close ties with a POTUS who publically distains decency.

Her actions will depend on her priorities.

Well Fuck me we're going back to the Opium wars!
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The silence about the apology to the Brits is deafening over at Fox News. It's all over the web, but as of right now at 12:07 pm Eastern time Fox has absolutely nothing to be seen on their front page about it. LOL.
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The silence about the apology to the Brits is deafening over at Fox News. It's all over the web, but as of right now at 12:07 pm Eastern time Fox has absolutely nothing to be seen on their front page about it. LOL.

i'm interested in the process that led to a US government spokesman accusing a major ally of such behaviour.
Can we have his head to stick on a pike on London Bridge?
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The silence about the apology to the Brits is deafening over at Fox News. It's all over the web, but as of right now at 12:07 pm Eastern time Fox has absolutely nothing to be seen on their front page about it. LOL.

Still nothing there. There is, however, a day 2 follow-up to the story about Amy Schumer's Netflix comedy routine being trashed. Gotta keep up with the important news.
 
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Apparently, now Spicer says he was just repeating new articles, but not actually endorsing any particular one. Which is him blatantly lying. When the WH Press Secretary quotes a Fox interview verbatim, it pretty clearly says he thought it deserved weight and had some credibility. What else would he be accusing the media there for not reporting it more broadly? Further, it was one of a number of news articles he went through. At the end of listing them, he said that: "Putting the published accounts and common sense together, this leads to a lot." The Napolitano quote was the one right before he said that. So, yes, he was absolutely endorsing this as the President's view. He was reading from prepared notes. This also wasn't some off the cuff remark.
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Pinook wrote:

Britian has been prepared to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned. As exampled by the opium trade graph.

Perhaps the current PM is going to continue with her wooing of Trump?
This would signal a preparedness to dis-engage ethical standards and act without regards to decency when profit beckoned.

However there is the possibility that May will back off from trying to develop close ties with a POTUS who publically distains decency.

Her actions will depend on her priorities.


The opium trade a great analogy.

Before you made it I would have drawn a distinction between, on the one hand, selling addictive poison to a nation backed by military power so they can't say no, and on the other hand, trying to find a way to work with a destructive/untrustworthy leader to maintain an alliance that protects your nation's safety as well as the safety of much of the world.

But now I see it's really just four fingers and a thumb in each case, and working with Trump is pretty much the same thing as dealing opium.
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Sue_G wrote:
Apparently, now Spicer says he was just repeating new articles, but not actually endorsing any particular one. Which is him blatantly lying. When the WH Press Secretary quotes a Fox interview verbatim, it pretty clearly says he thought it deserved weight and had some credibility. What else would he be accusing the media there for not reporting it more broadly? Further, it was one of a number of news articles he went through. At the end of listing them, he said that: "Putting the published accounts and common sense together, this leads to a lot." The Napolitano quote was the one right before he said that. So, yes, he was absolutely endorsing this as the President's view. He was reading from prepared notes. This also wasn't some off the cuff remark.
For an administration that is so critical of fake news, they sure seem to get fished in by it a lot.
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I feel like eventually Spicer just says:

"Guys, I work for a pathological liar, what do you want me to say?

Who knows why he said what he said. I doubt even he knows. He sees stuff on TV or on the internet then he grabs that damn phone and goes to work on Twitter. We've tried to stop him. He keeps buying new phones. I've put at least six phones in an industrial shredder myself.

Why can't you just ignore him? I'm trying to. Everyone in the White House is trying to.

You need to play ball here. Let's all just tell him he's president and then just ignore everything he says and we'll have an average shitty 4 years of republican rule, rather than whatever we'd actually have if he were actually in charge and what he said mattered."
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