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Désirée Greverud
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Of course who doesn't love dinosaurs?
In elementaryy school in the 70s i was known as Dinosaur Dee, the resident dino expert (this was when the school library had maybe 4 books on dinos). Jurassic Park: The Euro Game should be an insta-back for me.

And yet...

I watched all the videos, hoping for that spark that would get me to pledge, at Deluxe level of course because: dinomeeples!

And yet...

What I saw was a hand-holding cube-pusher with phases to walk you through what you should be focusing on and basic Euro efficiency puzzles.

Sure some dinos can eat your guests but this is purely mathematical. No drama, no horror, just fewer VP. Different dinos don't really even do different things other than slightly different VP math. I backed Unfair last year and the park building theme really shines through on that one. How does the theme come through here? At what point to I get excited about having giant thunder lizards in my park and then worry about them eating my guests when things go wrong? What do i have to do to entice guests back after the T-rex carnage hits the news? Or could I be building a juice factory with different genetically enhanced fruit hoping not to poison my customers?

I mean, dinosaurs! amiright? so why I am not tripping all over myself for this?
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I'd recommend trying it on Tabletopia if you can with someone. Maybe hit up Brian (developer) on twitter. He's graciously played with several people.

I *guess* you're right, you COULD be building genetically modified fruit, for a fruit theme park, with fruit rides, fruit puns and fruit meeples... But, I mean, which game is totally immune to having a different theme superimposed onto it?

The phases have a distinct feel. If you don't want to feel micro-managed and you'd rather it be more of a free for all, this probably isn't the right game for you. Personally, I like that tightness and the way the phases keep the game moving. I like the parallel play in phases 3 and 4 too. There's very little time spent waiting on other players.
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DragonsDream wrote:
What I saw was a hand-holding cube-pusher with phases to walk you through what you should be focusing on and basic Euro efficiency puzzles.

Sure some dinos can eat your guests but this is purely mathematical. No drama, no horror, just fewer VP. Different dinos don't really even do different things other than slightly different VP math. I backed Unfair last year and the park building theme really shines through on that one. How does the theme come through here? At what point to I get excited about having giant thunder lizards in my park and then worry about them eating my guests when things go wrong? What do i have to do to entice guests back after the T-rex carnage hits the news? Or could I be building a juice factory with different genetically enhanced fruit hoping not to poison my customers?

I mean, dinosaurs! amiright? so why I am not tripping all over myself for this?


I too am on the fence on this one, though I find your comparison to Unfair really interesting. To me, while Unfair had really great art, I thought the theme was somewhat pasted on. Adding a loop to my roller coaster isn't that much different from adding a vampire theme: both just affects the number of symbols I have for scoring &/or some income differences.

I guess it comes down to expectation. It's possible that for you the VP minus for a dino outbreak to be too 'tame', without the repercussions of bad rep, security lockdown & etc, just as how I can't see unfair's ride upgrade as more than just set collection (why is adding a double loop the same as adding a ticket stand?) . In contrast, I think of dino island as a 'zoo typhoon' style game, whereby I'm less concern about the excitement of maintaining a theme park where customers are at constant risk, but more of how to balance making a zoo & having enough merchandise for sale
 
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genesyx wrote:
I think of dino island as a 'zoo typhoon' style game, whereby I'm less concern about the excitement of maintaining a theme park where customers are at constant risk, but more of how to balance making a zoo & having enough merchandise for sale

Interesting that you say that. I'll also add, to the concept of theme park management, Brian briefly mentioned (if I understood him correctly) that some of the attractions/shops will offer you the CHOICE of VP or $2 depending on what you need the most!
 
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Just think of the cubes as fossils.
 
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It's a dinosaur pusher!!
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I'm in the same boat as the OP. Especially this part:

DragonsDream wrote:
Sure some dinos can eat your guests but this is purely mathematical. No drama, no horror, just fewer VP. Different dinos don't really even do different things other than slightly different VP math.


I love theme in games, but couldn't get my mind past this part/phase. Feels like there should be more than a lost VP, since the next round you start all over again with even more visitors.
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burgundy90 wrote:
I'm in the same boat as the OP. Especially this part:

DragonsDream wrote:
Sure some dinos can eat your guests but this is purely mathematical. No drama, no horror, just fewer VP. Different dinos don't really even do different things other than slightly different VP math.


I love theme in games, but couldn't get my mind past this part/phase. Feels like there should be more than a lost VP, since the next round you start all over again with even more visitors.


I agree as well. The first couple phases (buying DNA/dinosaur recipes, buying lap upgrades/attractions/specialists) feel good and thematic, but then once you actually place them in your park (dinosaurs and attractions both) they literally are nothing more than slots for victory point production.

There is basically no uniqueness to any of the dinosaurs or attractions. The only thing that changes is the threat level, which makes you lose 1 VP. They really missed the ball on not having it have some sort of more permanent effect or destruction of some sort of having a large dinosaur running around.

3 people get eaten this round, but then next round you act as if nothing happened.
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mstrmnybgs wrote:
3 people get eaten this round, but then next round you act as if nothing happened.


I see your point, but it's more like "3 people get eaten this round, and next round you sure as heck better fix your security or you're going to lose a bunch of VP AGAIN."
 
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heathbarATL wrote:
mstrmnybgs wrote:
3 people get eaten this round, but then next round you act as if nothing happened.


I see your point, but it's more like "3 people get eaten this round, and next round you sure as heck better fix your security or you're going to lose a bunch of VP AGAIN."

which may be true, but really should be "3 people got eaten (by a generic cubeasaurus), HOLY CRAP! I'm never going to that park!"
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DragonsDream wrote:
heathbarATL wrote:
mstrmnybgs wrote:
3 people get eaten this round, but then next round you act as if nothing happened.


I see your point, but it's more like "3 people get eaten this round, and next round you sure as heck better fix your security or you're going to lose a bunch of VP AGAIN."

which may be true, but really should be "3 people got eaten (by a generic cubeasaurus), HOLY CRAP! I'm never going to that park!"

Really? You honestly think that would be people's opinions? Honestly I think it would attract people even more.
People are so blasé these days that I don't think that would stop most people from coming.
"Come here and see someone get eaten... just be careful or it might be you!!!"
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corkysru wrote:
DragonsDream wrote:
heathbarATL wrote:
mstrmnybgs wrote:
3 people get eaten this round, but then next round you act as if nothing happened.


I see your point, but it's more like "3 people get eaten this round, and next round you sure as heck better fix your security or you're going to lose a bunch of VP AGAIN."

which may be true, but really should be "3 people got eaten (by a generic cubeasaurus), HOLY CRAP! I'm never going to that park!"

Really? You honestly think that would be people's opinions? Honestly I think it would attract people even more.
People are so blasé these days that I don't think that would stop most people from coming.
"Come here and see someone get eaten... just be careful or it might be you!!!"

ROFL!
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