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"Additional evidence received pursuant to a search warrant showed Rivello’s iCloud account contained a screenshot of a Wikipedia page for the victim, which had been altered to show a fake obituary with the date of death listed as Dec. 16, 2016."

Seem like attempted murder to me, though I've never understood why inept wannabe murderers get less punishment than successful murderers. The obit was only "fake" because he didn't succeed, not because he didn't attempt murder.

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/us/twitter-journalist-strobe-e...

Eichenwald has been public about having epilepsy. In October, he wrote in Newsweek that one of President Donald Trump's supporters with the handle "Mike's Deplorable AF" had tweeted to him after he had written about Trump's conflicts of interest.

"Mike" mentioned his seizures and sent him a video of strobe lights.

"It's what's called epileptogenic -- something that triggers seizures. Fortunately, since I was standing, I simply dropped my iPad to the ground the second I realized what Mike had done. It landed face down on the bathroom floor," he wrote in Newsweek.
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Is the Donald going to honour his campaign pledge and pay the legal bills for that act of violence or is he going to weasle saying it wasn't a punch?
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Is the Donald going to honour his campaign pledge and pay the legal bills for that act of violence or is he going to weasle saying it wasn't a punch?


Did the journalist throw a tomato?
 
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Is the Donald going to honour his campaign pledge and pay the legal bills for that act of violence or is he going to weasle saying it wasn't a punch?


Did the journalist throw a tomato?


If he had, would that make this okay for you?
 
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Is the Donald going to honour his campaign pledge and pay the legal bills for that act of violence or is he going to weasle saying it wasn't a punch?


Did the journalist throw a tomato?


If he had, would that make this okay for you?


Nope, but it was the condition for Trumps paying someone's legal bills.
 
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This feels like overreach to me. I guess we are a country of laws, and if we make enough laws, soon we'll all be criminals.
 
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This feels like overreach to me. I guess we are a country of laws, and if we make enough laws, soon we'll all be criminals.


What's the overreach? He purposely sent an image to him to induce a seizure, which worked. Why the hell shouldn't he be arrested & charged for cyber-stalking someone?
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This feels like overreach to me. I guess we are a country of laws, and if we make enough laws, soon we'll all be criminals.


What's the overreach? He purposely sent an image to him to induce a seizure, which worked. Why the hell shouldn't he be arrested & charged for cyber-stalking someone?


Because it's silly, that's why. It's creating laws to protect against what, some guy who is harmed by images on the internet. Then get the hell off the internet. So now we are going to fill prisons full of people over speech, because why? Oh, it's harmful. Please. We are so over the cliff here. Cyber stalking laws are ridiculous, and WAY overreaching.
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MWChapel wrote:
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MWChapel wrote:
This feels like overreach to me. I guess we are a country of laws, and if we make enough laws, soon we'll all be criminals.


What's the overreach? He purposely sent an image to him to induce a seizure, which worked. Why the hell shouldn't he be arrested & charged for cyber-stalking someone?


Because it's silly, that's why. It's creating laws to protect against what, some guy who is harmed by images on the internet. Then get the hell off the internet. So now we are going to fill prisons full of people over speech, because why? Oh, it's harmful. Please. We are so over the cliff here. Cyber stalking laws are ridiculous, and WAY overreaching.


If I send you a computer virus and you open it and it allows me to take all your money, is it "overreaching" for you to ask for me to be punished for taking all your money?

A guy sent a tweet designed to produce a seizure with the intent of producing a seizure which did produce a seizure. I think the analogy to sending a mail bomb is just about spot on.
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If I send you a computer virus and you open it and it allows me to take all your money, is it "overreaching" for you to ask for me to be punished for taking all your money?


False equivalence.
 
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MWChapel wrote:
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If I send you a computer virus and you open it and it allows me to take all your money, is it "overreaching" for you to ask for me to be punished for taking all your money?


False equivalence.


In both situations I intended to harm you via the internet and I took a very unusual, targeted action which was intended to harm you, and as a result, I did harm you. I am afraid I will need more than your delectation to agree with you.

Another possibly analogy would be me mailing you an envelope full of peanuts knowing you have a very severe peanut allergy.
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I am afraid I will need more than your delectation to agree with you.


OK, well, one is theft and the other is cyber stalking. So there you go, two very different laws. False equivalency.
 
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I am afraid I will need more than your delectation to agree with you.


OK, well, one is theft and the other is cyber stalking. So there you go, two very different laws. False equivalency.


OK, how about walking up to him on the street and flashing an extremely bright, quickly flashing light in his face. Is that OK?
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how about I knowingly walk up to you and hit you with a lead pipe- oh wait thats at least assault with a deadly weapon because the intent and the reasonable expectation of the outcome (harm) was there.
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OK, how about walking up to him on the street and flashing an extremely bright, quickly flashing light in his face. Is that OK?


This. Is that covered by Free Speech, Chapel? Is it okay for him to write about how he's going to do it, what he intends the result of it to be, and then walk up & do it. Free speech?

Why does it being executed over the internet matter?
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MWChapel wrote:
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This feels like overreach to me. I guess we are a country of laws, and if we make enough laws, soon we'll all be criminals.


What's the overreach? He purposely sent an image to him to induce a seizure, which worked. Why the hell shouldn't he be arrested & charged for cyber-stalking someone?


Because it's silly, that's why. It's creating laws to protect against what, some guy who is harmed by images on the internet. Then get the hell off the internet. So now we are going to fill prisons full of people over speech, because why? Oh, it's harmful. Please. We are so over the cliff here. Cyber stalking laws are ridiculous, and WAY overreaching.

What the fuck? This is why laws deal with intent. Deliberately doing something to someone for no other reason than you know it causes them physical injury or death is a crime and should be. It doesn't matter specifically what it is. it Even if you want to argue that it's "speech" it's certainly not protected speech.
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Because it's silly, that's why. It's creating laws to protect against what, some guy who is harmed by images on the internet. Then get the hell off the internet. So now we are going to fill prisons full of people over speech, because why? Oh, it's harmful. Please. We are so over the cliff here. Cyber stalking laws are ridiculous, and WAY overreaching.


I think you are overfocusing on the "cyberstalking" charge here.

Forget about the charge.

Think about the -actual- event that occurred here. The accused targeted an individual who is prone to seizures with an image designed to induce seizures. This really is equatable to be me dumping crushed peanuts on your food or sticking a contagion in your physical mail.

Like swatting, thus is basically a form of assault that our law has not caught up to.
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Shadrach wrote:
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Is the Donald going to honour his campaign pledge and pay the legal bills for that act of violence or is he going to weasle saying it wasn't a punch?


Did the journalist throw a tomato?


If he had, would that make this okay for you?


Nope, but it was the condition for Trumps paying someone's legal bills.


So when does Trump mean exactly what he says?

What are your criteria for deciding Trump means what he says one time and doesn't mean what he says another time?

For example.. for this incident?

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The candidate said he would have fought the person had he reached the lectern and mimed punching him a few times.

"I'll beat the crap out of you," he then mouthed.
"Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore."


How about this one?
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Demonstrators interrupted a Trump rally in St. Louis, Missouri, Friday. As they were being escorted out of the venue, the candidate bemoaned the fact that there were no longer "consequences" to protesting and insisted the "country has to toughen up."

“You know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?" he explained. His remarks are heard just after the seven-minute mark in the video above.


Or this time?
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Donald Trump calls supporters' violence against protesters "appropriate," says "that's what we need more of."https://t.co/N28Wj5l3Ji

— Mashable News (@MashableNews) March 11, 2016

At a press conference in Florida earlier on Friday, Trump was asked about his rhetoric in the wake of an incident in which a supporter at a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, sucker-punched a black man in the face.

While he wasn't asked about that specific altercation, Trump said of violent behavior in general at his events: "The audience hit back and that's what we need a little bit more of."

He also praised people using physical force at his rallies as "appropriate."


Or this time?
Note: No tomatoes here...

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On NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump said he would have his team look into paying the legal fees of 78-year-old John McGraw, who was charged with assault and disorderly conduct after attacking the protester.
Trump in NC on Weds: "In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough." pic.twitter.com/vccazscgjT

— Mashable News (@MashableNews) March 11, 2016

As protesters were being escorted out of the rally in Fayetteville on Wednesday, Trump told the crowd that the protesters were not being treated poorly enough.

“They used to treat them very, very rough, and when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily,” he said, before lamenting "we've become weak."


I suppose he was talking about using stern words on protesters?

Or this time?
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At a rally in Michigan in early March, Trump again seemed to give the green light to violent behavior. As a protester was being escorted out of the building, Trump marveled at what a "fun time" everyone was having.

"Get him out," he then said. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

He then told an anecdote about a brawl at a prior rally that was "amazing to watch."
"I'd like to punch him in the face."


Finally.. finally.. we get to the one you focus on..
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After a protester threw a tomato at Trump at a previous event, he encouraged fighting at a later campaign stop in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, in early February.

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously." He again promised to pay for any legal fees associated with an assault.


So he really did mean this one right? But only tomatoes. An overripe head of lettuce wasn't covered by the precise language. Of course, merely standing there with a sign wasn't covered either.
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But that wasn't the end of it.
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After a Black Lives Matter activist was kicked, punched and, he said, called the N-word at a campaign event in Birmingham, Alabama, in November, Trump expressed his approval.

"Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing," the now frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination told Fox & Friends the next day.


And why is he so specific that the second amendment people taking actions against hillary clinton if (I.e. AFTER) she was elected.
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On Aug. 9, Trump made comments at a North Carolina rally suggesting "Second Amendment people" could take action against Hillary Clinton if she were elected. Trump later insisted he was referring to their voting power, not inciting violence.



http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/


Bottom line is that candidate Trump both incited violence and offered to pay legal bills in many other incidents besides the tomato incident.

His attitude towards violence (against protesters sure but also including war and nuclear war) was and is dangerous.

**https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/trump-protes...
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I am afraid I will need more than your delectation to agree with you.


OK, well, one is theft and the other is cyber stalking. So there you go, two very different laws. False equivalency.

It's not cyber stalking it's deliberate assault. The fact that the assault is using a new technique doesn't stop it being assault.
It is premeditated so to it requires a jail sentence.
This is another case where yuou Americans have the delusion that free speech is somehow involved.
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Let me try another analogy.

I put a harmless substance on a surface I know you're going to touch. Let's say it's walnut powder. No harm, no crime. But if someone does that to my daughter, knowing of her allergy, that's very different. And if that someone gets a bunch of other people to do it and says that the hope was to kill her, then it's even more serious.
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I am afraid I will need more than your delectation to agree with you.


OK, well, one is theft and the other is cyber stalking. So there you go, two very different laws. False equivalency.

It's not cyber stalking it's deliberate assault. The fact that the assault is using a new technique doesn't stop it being assault.
It is premeditated so to it requires a jail sentence.
This is another case where yuou Americans have the delusion that free speech is somehow involved.

1. Is "free speech" a special category of "speech that is allowed"?
2. Or is "free speech" the starting point of having no legal restrictions around communicating and from that starting point necessary restrictions are introduced?
3. Or is "free speech" something else?

You seem to be going for 1. Is that the case?
 
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