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Lots of folks had ideas on the Kickstarter page, but ideas tend to get lost over there. So let's try it on BGG, where we can be more organized.

What would you like to see next in the series?
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"518: Justinian - The Last Roman" would cover the reconquest of the western half of the historical Roman Empire in Europe and North Africa.

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1700: the great northern war
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The Second Punic War!!
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The war of the roses; the Scottish war of independence; the Punic wars
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War of the Roses would be great.

Boudicca's revolt against the Romans?
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A game about "Reconquista" would be fun.
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Here some of my favorties:
1.) The 30 Years War of course!
2.) 1453-The Fall of Constantinopolis
3.) The Ottoman Empire during the times of Suleimann the Magnificent, or the Sieges of Vienna 1529 / 1683
4.)War of the Spanish Succession
5.)The war of 1866
6.)The Crimean War
I really would prefer a not to often played topic!
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2.) 1453-The Fall of Constantinopolis


This one would be really interesting !
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What's everyone's feeling on a Crusades-based game in this series?
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Thinking about Freedom: The Underground Railroad in the Birth of America series, it would be nice to see this type of non-war themed cooperative game. I was thinking that the unification of Italy could work, with the push and pull between Fance and Austria in the North through treaties, aggression and ceding land. As well as the eventual convincing of the south to join with you, not to mention the northern principalities. Another idea would be the French Rev. king vs revolutionaries in a more political game centered on Paris and Versailles with rioting, soldiers losing moral etc lastly perhaps on the wars of Julius Caesar into Western Europe, while trying to simultaneously keep control of Rome? Three players: celts, ceasar, Usurpers in Rome?
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senorcoo wrote:
What's everyone's feeling on a Crusades-based game in this series?


Personally, I think the idea of a focus on Mehmet or sulieman would be more interesting, or perhaps the fall of the Byzantine Empire, which would have a crusades element, but bad for Byzantium. And some interesting tensions between ottomans and Greek-speakers. Can you stop the fall of Constantinople?
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Great ideas!

What I find most interesting is how different this list of games is from what games are already published.
 
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1618-1648: The 30 Years War
1223-1241: Mongol Invasion of Europe

Those would be my favourites. I also always like Ancient settings... but Rome and Greece are quite well-covered in games already, and moving towards the cradle of civilization, the middle-east, would not fit with the "of Europe" part.
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Oh, or something over a larger timespan covering early British history - themewise, like Britannia did (or part of that period).
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Beleg_Cuthalion wrote:
The war of the roses; the Scottish war of independence; the Punic wars


One of my favorite block games, HotS, has a cool mechanism where the victory points are nobles that switch sides during the game. The players can gain nobles in battle or during a "wintering" non-combat phase. This gives the game a neat twist without adding a ton of rules.

Gaining territory is important but it's not the primary goal of the game.
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betancor wrote:
A game about "Reconquista" would be fun.


I like this idea.

Or the swath of the Umayyad leading up to the Battle of Tours

Or... Mongols and Mamluks?
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unic wrote:
1223-1241: Mongol Invasion of Europe


I'd be down for this..
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Thinking about Freedom: The Underground Railroad in the Birth of America series, it would be nice to see this type of non-war themed cooperative game. I was thinking that the unification of Italy could work, with the push and pull between Fance and Austria in the North through treaties, aggression and ceding land. As well as the eventual convincing of the south to join with you, not to mention the northern principalities. Another idea would be the French Rev. king vs revolutionaries in a more political game centered on Paris and Versailles with rioting, soldiers losing moral etc lastly perhaps on the wars of Julius Caesar into Western Europe, while trying to simultaneously keep control of Rome? Three players: celts, ceasar, Usurpers in Rome?
But Freedom isn't in the BoA series. I think I recall that it sort of was a few years back, but they clarified / decided that it wasn't at all?

So really.. what IS the Birth of America series? What would qualify to be part of it? And therefore presumably also any other "Birth of" series following in its footsteps. To me it's the card play system we've seen in 3.5 games now, and so a coop game wouldn't be possible. Well... not without somehow using that system against a suitable AI..???
 
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I'd like to see the series on England continue first, bringing events up through 1066.

To my knowledge, only one game has focused on the events of 1066 at the strategic level, and that was an issue game in "Strategy & Tactics" some years ago.

Given the multiple factions--Harold Godwinson, Harald Hardraada, William, the Welsh, the Irish, the Scots--it seems a perfect setting for this system.
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Barry Kendall wrote:
I'd like to see the series on England continue first, bringing events up through 1066.

To my knowledge, only one game has focused on the events of 1066 at the strategic level, and that was an issue game in "Strategy & Tactics" some years ago.

Given the multiple factions--Harold Godwinson, Harald Hardraada, William, the Welsh, the Irish, the Scots--it seems a perfect setting for this system.
I grew up in Battle / Hastings, however my knowledge of 1066 are pretty shabby... But from what I understand...

The Battle Of Hastings was in one field, in one day. Ish.
The broader events of 1066 only included a handful of battles in fields. These battles don't seem to fit a clean 2 vs 2 model at all for factions - Harold was defeated by his brother Harald, who was defeated by William, who then also defeated Harold... that's a messy triangle already, no?
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david trenkwitz wrote:

3.) The Ottoman Empire during the times of Suleimann the Magnificent, or the Sieges of Vienna 1529 / 1683


I like the sounds of this.

Hapsburgs + Italians/Venice?

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Ottomans + France?

The only problem is it would involved a lot of naval stuff, which is new ground for the system.
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david trenkwitz wrote:

3.) The Ottoman Empire during the times of Suleimann the Magnificent, or the Sieges of Vienna 1529 / 1683


I like the sounds of this.

Hapsburgs + Italians/Venice?

vs

Ottomans + France?

The only problem is it would involved a lot of naval stuff, which is new ground for the system.
I'd say that's an opportunity. Adding Naval dice sounds like a perfectly valid twist for one game. You'd still have area control etc, it's not like they're firing nukes across entire oceans. I think that could work very well.
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I am going to tell you why the Second Punic War is the best choice, mostly every board gamer that is in to history likes, loves or find it very interesting. Some people compare the 2nd Punic War as kind of a world war at that time period, because of the involvement of so many powerful nations and factions (Carthage, Rome, and Numidia, Macedonia, Greece, Syracuse, different factions of Spaniards and Gauls etc….). I would believe that any gamer that likes the ancient era will have no problem backing it (2nd Punic War) in the next Birth of Europe Series.
The game will be somewhat like combining Carthage vs. Rome game and C&C Ancients game in which both are popular games.
The visual factor will attract new gamers besides the great game mechanics, and colorful map the different miniatures will be a factor too. Who can resist miniatures of units that represent Phalanxes, Legions, Auxiliaries, War bands of Spain, and Gaul (barbarians) different types of cavalry, Trireme units (ships), Generals, and of course Elephants!

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How about something involving Charlemagne's empire, either building it or keeping it together after his death? Pretty much every European king tried to trace his lineage to Charlemagne, so that definitely fits the "birth" theme.
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