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We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?

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civil war era one could be interesting.
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Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



Mexican-American War would fit in with the other three, but I'd think a game about the Latin American revolutions would be interesting.
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Both sound like good topics and I can't think of anymore. I'm not sure how well the U.S. Civil War or the westward expansion would translate using the system. For the U.S. Civil War, perhaps it would work if the Union player had more stringent victory conditions. My vote would be to let the series run its course before it jumps the shark.

My thought would be to focus on the Birth of Europe series as there are so many interesting topics stretching over a millennia.

A couple of other spin-offs I'd like to see are:
1) The Birth of Civilization series. Egypt, Assyria, Greece, Macedonia (Alexander the Great), Persia, The Successor kingdoms after Alexander's death, Rome, Polynesian expansion into the Pacific... Fertile ground here for gaming.
2) The Birth of Asia series. A Fuedal Japan game would be cool.
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Looking forward to Libertadores !!
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Almost interestingly I watch Gangs Of New York last night, and 1846 was all over it. And of course it had me thinking about stocks, shares and little hexagons...

Is there a risk that making 1846 would be very confusing and cause an issue with the 18xx game of the same name?
 
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What's everyone's feeling on a Crusades-based game in this series?
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What's everyone's feeling on a Crusades-based game in this series?


For the Americas?
 
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Haha, sorry. Had two windows open at the same time with similar topics.
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Not sure how it would be done, but the First Barons War was a result of the Magna Carta. That influenced all western governments and was a profound influence on the American Constitution.
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Nevin wrote:
Both sound like good topics and I can't think of anymore. I'm not sure how well the U.S. Civil War or the westward expansion would translate using the system. For the U.S. Civil War, perhaps it would work if the Union player had more stringent victory conditions. My vote would be to let the series run its course before it jumps the shark.

My thought would be to focus on the Birth of Europe series as there are so many interesting topics stretching over a millennia.

A couple of other spin-offs I'd like to see are:
1) The Birth of Civilization series. Egypt, Assyria, Greece, Macedonia (Alexander the Great), Persia, The Successor kingdoms after Alexander's death, Rome, Polynesian expansion into the Pacific... Fertile ground here for gaming.
2) The Birth of Asia series. A Fuedal Japan game would be cool.


+5,000,000 on the Feudal Japan idea. Hideyoshi's two generals (Konishi and Kato) vs. Korea and China
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A game on the native American wars?

Northwest Indian War (1787-1795)
Great Sioux War of 1876
A series on the Navajo Wars?

Just some thoughts....
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Great ideas folks.

The Civil War seems to be a given, although probably the one with so much emotion attached that will take forever to get perfect.

Apparently we need to be doing a Birth of Asia series. I think there's 1,000,002 votes for feudal Japan, but that math may not be accurate.

And why stop there?

Birth of Africa with the Boer War anyone???

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Tim of Academy wrote:
Great ideas folks.

The Civil War seems to be a given, although probably the one with so much emotion attached that will take forever to get perfect.

Apparently we need to be doing a Birth of Asia series. I think there's 1,000,002 votes for feudal Japan, but that math may not be accurate.

And why stop there?

Birth of Africa with the Boer War anyone???

Tim


All nice ideas, but isn't the fundamental commonality here that the "Birth Of" serii use this core simple cube war system? How many times is it fun to reimplement the same thing??

I've long compared this system (Which needs a proper name!) to the COIN games, (Which is the COIN system.. it has a proper name!). Not depth wise by any means, but the 2 vs 2 style, and geographic scales involved. They're on their... 7th game now I think, Ghandi? I expect there are more... but at what time to you start flogging that horse a bit too much?

Bringing COIN thoughts to the front though, there must be *some* clever tweak to the system (Birth of... cubes being moved... how about the "Birther Movement" system?) one fantastic twist could be making the "allied" factions be able to differentiate themselves for a single win, despite having 90% the same cause. COINlite(r)(tm)(c)
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Bringing COIN thoughts to the front though, there must be *some* clever tweak to the system (Birth of... cubes being moved... how about the "Birther Movement" system?) one fantastic twist could be making the "allied" factions be able to differentiate themselves for a single win, despite having 90% the same cause. COINlite(r)(tm)(c)


I second the single faction victory conditions.

I think the hit-run-blank dice system could be used in a variety of games. M44 has a similar system but the dice rolling is a much smaller part of the game. Those epic late game dice fests make 1775 and 1754 really stand apart.

A more "tactical" game system could feature the BoA dice but instead of factions there would be infantry, cavalry and artillery. A more modern conflict would feature inf., armor, airplanes etc.

Sorry to get off topic but I really could get into a tactical 2 player system.
 
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A more "tactical" game system could feature the BoA dice but instead of factions there would be infantry, cavalry and artillery. A more modern conflict would feature inf., armor, airplanes etc.
For no reason at all, and totally out of context to you, honest.. keep an eye out for the follow up to 1754 ;-)
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A game on the native American wars?

Northwest Indian War (1787-1795)
Great Sioux War of 1876
A series on the Navajo Wars?

Just some thoughts....


+1 on this idea

VPG offers a game called Mound Builders that goes back much further in time as well. Interesting topic that I haven't seen explored much. Be great if there's a way to game the Indian culture/wars through the centuries.
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Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



At the staff meeting today the boss suggested that 1846 be a double sided board, with the Mexican American war on one side, and the Texas Revolution on the other side.

Seems like a great idea to me. Thoughts?
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Tim of Academy wrote:
Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



At the staff meeting today the boss suggested that 1846 be a double sided board, with the Mexican American war on one side, and the Texas Revolution on the other side.

Seems like a great idea to me. Thoughts?


Yes....
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Tim of Academy wrote:
Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



At the staff meeting today the boss suggested that 1846 be a double sided board, with the Mexican American war on one side, and the Texas Revolution on the other side.

Seems like a great idea to me. Thoughts?


Sounds good! I spoke with Uwe regarding Liberadores a couple of years ago and I could tell he was really enthusiastic about the project. As a timeline follow-on, ask Uwe to consider the Civil War. Not sure how big the board would have be to include good tactical/strategic options... Perhaps a double-sided board for the Eastern and Western theaters.
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Tim of Academy wrote:
Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



At the staff meeting today the boss suggested that 1846 be a double sided board, with the Mexican American war on one side, and the Texas Revolution on the other side.

Seems like a great idea to me. Thoughts?


Excellent idea, I think double sided boards and/or packaging upcoming games in a series as expansions would greatly increase the amount of games you sell.
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Tim of Academy wrote:
Tim of Academy wrote:
We have two in the works right now:

Liberadores, about the revolutions across Latin America against Spain, and 1846, about the Mexican-American war.

What are your thoughts on other games for the Americas?



At the staff meeting today the boss suggested that 1846 be a double sided board, with the Mexican American war on one side, and the Texas Revolution on the other side.

Seems like a great idea to me. Thoughts?

I like it!
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Tim of Academy wrote:
Great ideas folks.

The Civil War seems to be a given, although probably the one with so much emotion attached that will take forever to get perfect.

Apparently we need to be doing a Birth of Asia series. I think there's 1,000,002 votes for feudal Japan, but that math may not be accurate.

And why stop there?

Birth of Africa with the Boer War anyone???

Tim


If your doing the Birth of Asia series, you could do :

1) Warring States- The Warring States period in China is the birth of China as an Empire/nation.

2) Feudal Japan - Oda Nobunaga and the founding of the Togagowa shogunate is a given

3) 3 Kingdoms: The quest for control of China that had been broken up after the fall of the Han. This would make a great 3 or 6 player.

4) Maurya Empire: Ashoka and the founding of the Maurya Dynasty

5) Mongol Conquest: Genghis/Kublais conquest of China

6) Arab Conquest: The rise of Islam and its creation of empire and most of the modern states of the Middle east.
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I know it wasn't a war, but the near-war surrounding the Oregon Treaty of 1846 and the general Oregon dispute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute) would be an interesting addition to the series. Naval forces, Russian interest, a region that doesn't have much board-game love... could be fun if done well.
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I'm from Costa Rica, the idea of Libertadores sounds amazing. You have my vote and a copy sold already!

"The conquest of the Incan empire" would be a really neat setting too, would have a lot of terrain-based bonus or Something similar.
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