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Flo de Haan
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We would like to ask your help for a small survey.

Could you please answer the following questions about the last full game of Mega Civilization you finished.

Feel free to do the survey more than once for any other full game of MC you played.

1. With how many players did you play?

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players
 
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My group tries to play monthly. We usually have between 6-13 players per game.

1. With how many players did you play?
The last game was 5 but we aim for 8+

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Most of our games are on the Basic side. People seem to like getting to the end of the AST. Personally I'd rather play on the Expert side but I defer to the majority.

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
1-3 of our players have played Advanced Civ.

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
Our group has a majority of players that have at least one game of Mega Civ under their belt.

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
There is usually 1-2 new player per game.

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
Yes.

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
The last game was 12 hours. We usually play for 12-14.

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No. We have had it happen once and it was a deeply unsatisfactory experience.

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
As many as we can get!
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A note on question 8 however..the second to last game we played had the Minoan player rage-quit after about 5 hours (apparently he's done this before and will not be invited back to play..)

We tried to follow the rules in the instructions, but Hellas had pretty much all of their cities and units in the Minoan area and it would have completely destroyed his game to follow the rules as written. We just followed the rules as close as possible but let Hellas be.
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1. With how many players did you play?
7, 9, 11, 12 and 13

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic and Expert

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
about 60%

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
about 20%

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
about 12 players overall - no problem at all

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
we always finished the AST

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
10-12 hours

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
no, never - once a player was replaced by another player

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

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First game :
1. With how many players did you play?
9-10

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
None

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
None

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
9

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
Yes

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
± 12

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
Yes

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
B

Second game :
1. With how many players did you play?
16

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
None

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
8

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
8

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
Yes

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
± 13

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
B/C(only one side of the map in play)

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Answered on facebook:
Play 1:
1. 6
2. Basic
3. 5
4. 0
5. 6
6. No
7. 7 hours? maybe 8
8. No
9. B
(My 1st play of MC and first time running Civ -- I had played Adv Civ 5-6 times)

One was a complete newb, 3 had definitely played AC, not 100% sure of the other 2 (I think they played the original Civ)


Play 2:
1. 8
2. Basic
3. 7
4. 5?
5. 3?
6. No
7. 7 hours? (8 with breaks)
8. No
9. B (8 players cause then no minor calamity / 3 trade good issue)

Play 2 had 3 players (including myself) from play 1
We had once complete noob, and 1 or 2 that had played AC but not MC

The game may be better with more players, but as a reletively new GM to this game I didn't want to push it.

Brian



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1. With how many players did you play?

5,8,11,18

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2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?

Basic
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3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?

most, if not all

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4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?

50-90% depending on a game
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5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?

10-50%

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6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?

usually, yes

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7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?

10-14h
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8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?

nope

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9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
[i]- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players


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We didn't complete the game, but since one of your questions asked that, I'll go ahead and answer the survey:
Flodehaan wrote:
1. With how many players did you play?
15

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Expert

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
Not sure; I'd say maybe 5 or so.

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
None (possibly one had played once).

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
All 15 (possibly only 14).

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
No. (We came about 2 turns short.)

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
I'd say about 10 hours, not including instruction/setup/meal breaks.

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
Yes, but we ended up deciding to stop that turn anyway, so they didn't really impact the game.

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

I'd say B or D, for different reasons. B seems like a good number to get the full Civ experience in a fairly streamlined package, but to get the MEGACIV experience, you really want to be in the D+ range. Of course this I based on one Mega Civ play (and many older Civ and Advanced Civ plays).
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Six games so far... so 6 sets of responses.

1. With how many players did you play?
6... 11... 11... 12... 14... 16...

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic... Basic... Basic... Basic... Basic... Basic...

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
6... 6... 4... 3... 3... 4...

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
0... 6... 5... 8... 12... 14...

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
6... 5... 6... 4... 2... 2...

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
N... Y... Y... Y... Y... Y...

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
6... 11... 12... 11... 10.5... 11...

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No... No... No... No... Yes... No...

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- D: 12-17 players
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1. With how many players did you play?

8 players + 1 GM

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?

Basic

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?

5

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?

None

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?

8

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?

No... ended based on time.

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?

11 hours

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?

No one left

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

Based on 1 play, no favourite... would like to try for more next game.
 
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Flodehaan wrote:
We would like to ask your help for a small survey.


1. With how many players did you play?
Last game:5, have played:5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,17

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Always use Expert.

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
Last game: 4/5. With n0obs it seems to be roughly 50/50.

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
Last game:4/5. Usually: n-1(or 2). We've only played a few games with all veterans so far.

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
Last game:1. Most often we have 1 or 2 n0obs per game.

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
Yes, we've finished every game this far.

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
Last game@5p: 8h, we've done 5-6p games in 5-6h, a 9p game will usually last 11-12h.

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No, no premature departure in the last game. We have had early departures in previous games and we use RAW. RAW works, but you often get blowback on innocent players.

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

Yes, specifically 9 players for most frequent games (B if you put a gun to my head?). IHMO you have a great balance with #players, play time, game and map balance. Never played a full 18p game but I imagine it would be great once in a while but not practical to play as often as we play. (We play at least once every 5 weeks.
 
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1. With how many players did you play?
7

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
4 of 7 had played Adv Civ

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
0

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
7

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
Yes!

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
9.5 hours

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No one left early

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

With only one game behind me, I will say that any amount of players is currently my favorite amount.
 
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1. 12 players
2. Expert AST
3. 12 players
4. 10 players
5. 2 players
6. Yes
7. 8.5 hours
8. No one left prematurely
9. Not a favourite amount, but always try for at least 7 players
 
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1. How many players? 13
2. AST? Basic
3. Experience with previous versions? 5
4. Experience with MegaCiv? 7
5. First time MegaCiv? 6
6. Finishing the game? yes
7. Playtime? 12h net (+1h explanation)
8. Early leavers? none
9. Favorite number of participants? 12-17

Played MegaCiv 3x (9,11,13 players) and 8x Advanced Civ (anything from 5-8 players)
 
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1. How many players? 7 (me and six 10-12 year olds)
2. AST? Basic
3. Experience with previous versions? 1 (me, only adult)
4. Experience with MegaCiv? 5
5. First time MegaCiv? 2
6. Finishing the game? yes
7. Playtime? 14h (2 days saturday-sunday with break)
8. Early leavers? none
9. Favorite number of participants? not sure yet - but in the non-adult setting, 6 is probably a good number one can supervise devil
 
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1. How many players? 10
2. AST? Expert
3. Experience with previous versions? 7 (Advanced Civilization)
4. Experience with Mega? 1
5. First time with Mega? 9
6. Finishing? Yes
7. Playtime? About 12 hours, not counting explanation
8. Early departures? Two
9. Favorite number? Not sure yet, probably B or C by default. Would love to try 12-player-and-up games, but that gets difficult to organize.
 
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We've got only one play so far.

1. With how many players did you play?
6 (but more were invited cry )

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
5

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
0

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
6

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
no

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
11-12, roughly

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
no

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

B
 
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Flodehaan wrote:
1. With how many players did you play?


I've played three times: 8 players, 18 players, 18 players

Flodehaan wrote:
2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?


Basic, Expert, Expert

Flodehaan wrote:
3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?


First Game: Everyone (all 8)
Second Game: About 1/3 (6 players)
Third Game: About 1/3 (6 players)

Flodehaan wrote:
4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?


First Game: 2 players (of 8)
Second Game: 4 players (of 18)
Third Game: 11 players (0f 18 - Lots of overlap with games 1 and 2)

Flodehaan wrote:
5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?


First Game: 6 players (of 8)
Second Game: 14 players (of 18)
Third Game: 7 players (0f 18 - Lots of overlap with games 1 and 2)

Flodehaan wrote:
6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?


First Game: No, we played for 11 hours and got to around turn 11/12.
Second Game: No, we played for 13 hours and got to around turn 13.
Third Game: Somewhat. we played for 12 hours. A player reached the final colored space but we didn't play the extra round that was supposed to occur once a player reaches the space.

Flodehaan wrote:
7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?


Excluding breaks:
First Game = 10 hours
Second Game = 12 hours
Third Game = 11 hours

We took a 1 hour break for each.

Flodehaan wrote:
8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?


Only in the second game. We did use the rules from the rulebook. It wasn't really a big deal because the player was getting killed. When they left they only had 6 units and 3 locations at around turn 9.

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9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?


I think any amount of players above 9 where the board are full is good. I wouldn't play again with less than 9 and I wouldn't player with a player count that had large chunks of land off limits at the start of the game.
 
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Flodehaan wrote:


1. With how many players did you play?

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

1. 9
2. Expert
3. 8
4. 8
5. 1
6. Yes
7. 10h
8. No
9. B, most of the time it's not practical with a huge game. Once in a while I do love to fit as many players as possible.
 
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Thanks to all for the input.

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for providing data from several games in a row.

Big thumbs up!

We are investigating all the data we got from both BGG and our facebookpage: www.facebook.com/megacivilization
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We played two games in one day at RinCon.

1. With how many players did you play?
Game 1 - 5 players
Game 2 - 6 players

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?
Basic - both games

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?
First game: 3/5 players had played either Civ or Adv Civ
Second game: Not 100% sure, but we lost one of the experienced players, but I think we gained two, so 4/6.

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?
None.

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?
All 9? of us was our first game.
So the second game, we had I think 4 carry over from the first game.

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?
We played 16 turns (moving a civ marker on the AST every turn), but no one made it to the final space.

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?
Each game ran right around 6 hours.

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?
No.

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

Can't really say, but I really want to try a bigger game where both sides are trading and more calamities are in play.
 
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I have all my game statistics on an excel spread sheet. We even have top 10's for each category and all. So far I have hosted in San Antonio, TX:

11 First Games
7 Short Games Basic AST
2 Short Game EXPERT AST
7 Long Game Basic AST
0 Long Game Expert AST

Our next host will be a short game expert AST and I hope to once before the year ends try hosting a long game Expert AST game.

Shortest short game was 4.45 hours, longest was 7.5 hours.
Shortest expert short game was 6.57 hours and longest was 7.30 hours.
Shortest Long Game Basic AST was 5.30 hours and longest was 12 hours

I host one type at least once a month with learning games mixed in sometimes. Longest game was the 10 player east map--lots of conflict and waiting for people to move to go next.

Top 10's make it more fun, we have Top 10 highest scores per game type, as well as top 10's per player race and top 10's for tech points and margin of victory.

If I get a chance later I'll try doing the survey but that would take a while as I've hosted 28 games total now :-O. Someone only didn't reach the end three times, the first long game we did and two other long games were people had last minute conflicts come up later in the day and we just decided calling it earlier was easier than trying to finish with depleted numbers.
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Flodehaan wrote:
We would like to ask your help for a small survey.

Could you please answer the following questions about the last full game of Mega Civilization you finished.

Feel free to do the survey more than once for any other full game of MC you played.

1. With how many players did you play?

We had 9.

2. Did you use the Basic or the Expert AST?

Basic IIRC.

3. How many players were experienced to any previous of Francis Tresham’s Civilization (may be 20 years ago)?

7 or 8 of the 9 had previous Civ. experience.

4. How many players were experienced to Mega Civilization (may be one game)?

Maybe 3 or 4 of us.

5. How many players played Mega Civilization for the very first time?

5 or 6 of us.

6. Did you finish the game (at least one player reached the final coloured space on the AST)?

No, timed out with 2 turns to go.

7. How many hours did you play (excluding any breaks you took)?

8.5 hours.

8. Did someone leave the game prematurely and did you use the rules as described in the rulebook?

Nobody left early.

9. Do you have a favourite amount of players?
- A: 5-6 players
- B: 7-9 players
- C: 10-11 players
- D: 12-17 players
- E: 18 players

No favorite yet.



 
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