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It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.
 
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It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.

Which IT departments? Pray tell.
 
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DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.

Which IT departments? Pray tell.


The ones that didn't patch for the exploited vulnerability.
 
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KissaTaikuri wrote:
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It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.
Not in the least but you are constantly claiming that bitcoin will help usher in an age of honesty and transparency that doesn't exist with fiat currencies. This is clearly a case that shows that bitcoin won't change the hearts or minds of men. They'll simply abuse it the same way in which they abuse fiat currencies but with more impunity.

Many of us keep trying to tell you this but you ignore us and keep creating more threads with copy/paste links that don't support your premise.


The bitcoin addresses used are known. We'll see if they ever move/get spent.
 
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KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:
KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:
It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.
Not in the least but you are constantly claiming that bitcoin will help usher in an age of honesty and transparency that doesn't exist with fiat currencies. This is clearly a case that shows that bitcoin won't change the hearts or minds of men. They'll simply abuse it the same way in which they abuse fiat currencies but with more impunity.

Many of us keep trying to tell you this but you ignore us and keep creating more threads with copy/paste links that don't support your premise.


The bitcoin addresses used are known. We'll see if they ever move/get spent.
What's to stop them from using a laundry service like Bitlaundry, Bitmix or Bitcoinlaundry where tracing them could be near impossible?


Nothing in particular, but given that the scale, scope and attention of this particular attack has become far greater than what they anticipated, they may not want to risk it.

And I will remind everyone again that the most successful criminals are the banks themselves, engaging in rampant criminal activity for long periods of time with little to no consequence, harming hundreds of thousands of people and gaining more power and wealth over time, not less. If you want to be a successful criminal, work with the banks, not against them.
 
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KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:
KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:
It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.
Not in the least but you are constantly claiming that bitcoin will help usher in an age of honesty and transparency that doesn't exist with fiat currencies. This is clearly a case that shows that bitcoin won't change the hearts or minds of men. They'll simply abuse it the same way in which they abuse fiat currencies but with more impunity.

Many of us keep trying to tell you this but you ignore us and keep creating more threads with copy/paste links that don't support your premise.


The bitcoin addresses used are known. We'll see if they ever move/get spent.
What's to stop them from using a laundry service like Bitlaundry, Bitmix or Bitcoinlaundry where tracing them could be near impossible?

You forgot Bitwash
 
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KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:

And I will remind everyone again that the most successful criminals are the banks themselves, engaging in rampant criminal activity for long periods of time with little to no consequence, harming hundreds of thousands of people and gaining more power and wealth over time, not less. If you want to be a successful criminal, work with the banks, not against them.
This is exactly why bitcoin will be no different. Since the dawn of banking/currency it's been the same story. Bitcoin will just be the next vehicle to allow the same activity to go on. Neither the problem nor the solution is with the vehicle, it's with the driver.

If you can figure out how to control the driver, your utopia might have a chance. So far no one has figured out how to control the driver.


Bitcoin has no driver.
 
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LightRider wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.

Which IT departments? Pray tell.


The ones that didn't patch for the exploited vulnerability.

sometimes I think you are a very clever bot. Then I remember you are just a deluded human. You do understand that there was no conspiracy, just incompetence, don't you?
 
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LightRider wrote:
KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:

And I will remind everyone again that the most successful criminals are the banks themselves, engaging in rampant criminal activity for long periods of time with little to no consequence, harming hundreds of thousands of people and gaining more power and wealth over time, not less. If you want to be a successful criminal, work with the banks, not against them.
This is exactly why bitcoin will be no different. Since the dawn of banking/currency it's been the same story. Bitcoin will just be the next vehicle to allow the same activity to go on. Neither the problem nor the solution is with the vehicle, it's with the driver.

If you can figure out how to control the driver, your utopia might have a chance. So far no one has figured out how to control the driver.


Bitcoin has no driver.

now try reading what he wrote, understanding it and making a reply that addresses the point. Of course Bitcoin has a driver.

 
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DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
It's all bitcoin's fault that the NSA Microsoft and various IT departments around the world conspired to make their mission critical machines vulnerable to attack.

Which IT departments? Pray tell.


The ones that didn't patch for the exploited vulnerability.

sometimes I think you are a very clever bot. Then I remember you are just a deluded human. You do understand that there was no conspiracy, just incompetence, don't you?


An unwitting, unintentional conspiracy still requires all the actors to play their part. And even so, it's likely not IT but the greedy executives and lazy device manufacturers who chose not to update and adequately protect critical systems. Another example of the failures of the monetary system and profit motive.
 
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DavidDearlove wrote:
LightRider wrote:
KissaTaikuri wrote:
LightRider wrote:

And I will remind everyone again that the most successful criminals are the banks themselves, engaging in rampant criminal activity for long periods of time with little to no consequence, harming hundreds of thousands of people and gaining more power and wealth over time, not less. If you want to be a successful criminal, work with the banks, not against them.
This is exactly why bitcoin will be no different. Since the dawn of banking/currency it's been the same story. Bitcoin will just be the next vehicle to allow the same activity to go on. Neither the problem nor the solution is with the vehicle, it's with the driver.

If you can figure out how to control the driver, your utopia might have a chance. So far no one has figured out how to control the driver.


Bitcoin has no driver.

now try reading what he wrote, understanding it and making a reply that addresses the point. Of course Bitcoin has a driver.



Yes, forgive me I misunderstood. Complaining about the choices any particular individual makes without recognizing that their environment, biopsychosocial pressures, upbringing and instilled values are the most influential variables on their behavior is indicative of a lack of understanding. In the context of a dishonest monetary system, terrible choices are made consistently. In the context of an honest system, better choices are likely to be made. The vast majority of bitcoin transactions are not criminal or destructive in nature. I doubt I could say the same about fiat currencies.
 
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