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Subject: Are the IBG graphics public domain? rss

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Kris Rhodes
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I have a game I made using IBG and I think it's ready for primetime playtesting. It'd be really, really awesome if PiecePack were implemented on Tabletopia, and I think I can do it myself--but if I could just "steal" the IBG graphics that would be even awesomer since they're pretty and it would be easy.

But are the graphics copyrighted and not allowed to be copied?
 
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Michael Van Biesbrouck
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I don't believe that it is. However, it is just a recent commercial edition of a game set with many public domain and/or reasonably licensed graphic sets:

http://www.ludism.org/ppwiki/Downloadable_Piecepack_Sets

I recall reading that IBG's set violates some part of the Piecepack standard, anyway.
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I <3 game systems: Cards, Dominoes, Piecepack, Pyramids, Decktet, Chesskers, Bead Games, etc.
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Piecepack is included in TableTop Simulator

http://store.steampowered.com/app/286160/Tabletop_Simulator/
 
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Didn't notice that!

Do people use tabletop simulator? I've noticed it has a _much much_ smaller selection than tabletopia.
 
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I use it.

And if you are only looking at the "official" games - then yeah, not much there, especially if you ignore all the expensive DLC.

But if you look at the Steam Workshop - boy howdy - there are so many games. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of games. From ancient chess-like precursors - to games that are on kickstarter right now - and everything in between. Hard-to-find games from the 1950s - 1990s that aren't in print any more. And fan made games as well. (Which are usually not that good, and about 95% of the time just rethemed existing games like SomethingFamous-Opoly or SomethingFamous Uno.)

TTS has so much more content than you think. Seriously, check it out.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/286160/workshop/
 
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So I had this impression that a great deal of that stuff is unlicensed, which made it, in my mind, likely to be taken down at an time, and also, unethical to use. (I'm not a complete ninny about the issue, just somewhat of one! But for now I'll just leave it at the simple 'but unethical' objection for sake of discussion.)

For example I see on there a "Dark Souls" implementation which apparently a guy just made so he could play it with his friends.

But looking further it looks like there's les of that than I thought, though it clearly does exist. So I'll have to check it out! Thanks for directing my attention to this.

I messed around with the piecepack implementation yesterday. Can't do (or can't figure out how to do) a lot of the things I want. Like if I want to have all the coins have their face-up/face-down status randomized, I'm not yet seeing a way to do that. And flipping over stacks of objects gets pretty hairy as it interprets this, for some reason, as a fairly violent physical manouver rather than just a state change. And it doesn't _seem_ like there's a way to get objects to snap to each other to form neat stacks?

Any idea if LUA can take care of some of this? I'm not afraid to learn a bit of it if need be, but I don't want to wade in if it won't help.
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In case you weren't aware there is also a piecepack module for the open-source Vassal board game engine:

http://ludism.org/ppwiki/VassalModule

http://www.vassalengine.org/index.php

I'd consider the IBG piecepack design and the name "The Infinite Boardgame" to be protected by trademark law. This is like how Parker Brother's particular implementation of the public domain "the Landlord's Game" (better known under the trademark "Monopoly") is protected by trademark law. As previously mentioned there are other free-culture piecepack graphic sets out there (or you can easily create your own!).
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The specific graphics used in IBG would be under copyright, possibility trademark if they'd registered one. However, the symbols of sun, moon, crown, and fleur-de-lis (arms) are generic and could be represented with similar graphics of your choosing. They can't really claim a blanket copyright/trademark on that arrangement of symbols, as prior piecepack sets have used them. They might be able to make a claim based on color though.

https://boardgamegeek.com/image/199751/piecepack
 
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