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I understand that players should have enough cash for the merger bid. However, I'm wondering what is considered "enough?" For example, if my 6-plant company is merging with someone else's 4-plant company, can I bid 100 if I only have 50 since I'd only have to pay 40 out of pocket if I win?

If not, is it just an honor code system to enforce this rule since money is not public information?
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hegel325 wrote:
I understand that players should have enough cash for the merger bid. However, I'm wondering what is considered "enough?" For example, if my 6-plant company is merging with someone else's 4-plant company, can I bid 100 if I only have 50 since I'd only have to pay 40 out of pocket if I win?

If not, is it just an honor code system to enforce this rule since money is not public information?


No you can't. You must have the totality of the money to participate in a bid. Even if you own a fraction of that company.

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Make people present their money when they bid. By bidding, they are showing they have that much, so make them show that amount as they bid.

I play with open money and poker chips anyway.

But yeah, to bid 100 you need 100, not 40.
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hegel325 wrote:
I understand that players should have enough cash for the merger bid. However, I'm wondering what is considered "enough?" For example, if my 6-plant company is merging with someone else's 4-plant company, can I bid 100 if I only have 50 since I'd only have to pay 40 out of pocket if I win?

If not, is it just an honor code system to enforce this rule since money is not public information?


Money is not open information?
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troybowers wrote:
hegel325 wrote:
I understand that players should have enough cash for the merger bid. However, I'm wondering what is considered "enough?" For example, if my 6-plant company is merging with someone else's 4-plant company, can I bid 100 if I only have 50 since I'd only have to pay 40 out of pocket if I win?

If not, is it just an honor code system to enforce this rule since money is not public information?


Money is not open information?


Officially the rules say to decide beforehand if you want open or closed money, but it is trackable.
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I'm always surprised when a game has trackable information that's not open. Someone who has the memory of Rain Man doesn't need help winning.
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troybowers wrote:
I'm always surprised when a game has trackable information that's not open. Someone who has the memory of Rain Man doesn't need help winning.

Do you play with such people?

I'm always surprised to read on BGG how some players insist on house ruling this in games that have hidden trackable information (aka Clearclaw syndrome--I kid!). Thankfully, I don't play with any of those folks (I'm not kidding here).
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I insist on house ruling it. It's the difference between a good time, and a boring time writing down what everyone has. Why would I want to play that way?
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Desiderata wrote:
troybowers wrote:
I'm always surprised when a game has trackable information that's not open. Someone who has the memory of Rain Man doesn't need help winning.

Do you play with such people?

I'm always surprised to read on BGG how some players insist on house ruling this in games that have hidden trackable information (aka Clearclaw syndrome--I kid!). Thankfully, I don't play with any of those folks (I'm not kidding here).


Yes, I do. Two of them actually. One of them is a high-functioning autistic person. At any given point in a game of Keyflower, he can announce exactly how many of each colour meeple players have, except the ones they've acquired from blind draw from the bag. We started playing that all meeples that are public info sit in front of the screen instead of behind.

I've not played Indonesia with him, but I can guarantee that he would be able to know how much money everyone had, within 10 rupiah, even if it was hidden.
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Jythier wrote:
a boring time writing down what everyone has


If you're inclined to write down trackable information, playing with open information doesn't necessarily solve that problem for all games. An open game state won't tell you who did what action when, for example -- which can be important insight into a player's motivations and strategy. Strategic games inherently involve an element of memory, and it strikes me as strangely artificial to say that Type A of having to remember is bad, while Type B is OK.
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UanarchyK wrote:
Jythier wrote:
a boring time writing down what everyone has


If you're inclined to write down trackable information, playing with open information doesn't necessarily solve that problem for all games. An open game state won't tell you who did what action when, for example -- which can be important insight into a player's motivations and strategy. Strategic games inherently involve an element of memory, and it strikes me as strangely artificial to say that Type A of having to remember is bad, while Type B is OK.


Well, if I ask the player they tell me what they did.
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philcampeau wrote:
Desiderata wrote:
troybowers wrote:
I'm always surprised when a game has trackable information that's not open. Someone who has the memory of Rain Man doesn't need help winning.

Do you play with such people?

I'm always surprised to read on BGG how some players insist on house ruling this in games that have hidden trackable information (aka Clearclaw syndrome--I kid!). Thankfully, I don't play with any of those folks (I'm not kidding here).


Yes, I do. Two of them actually. One of them is a high-functioning autistic person. At any given point in a game of Keyflower, he can announce exactly how many of each colour meeple players have, except the ones they've acquired from blind draw from the bag. We started playing that all meeples that are public info sit in front of the screen instead of behind.

I've not played Indonesia with him, but I can guarantee that he would be able to know how much money everyone had, within 10 rupiah, even if it was hidden.

I have mixed feelings about this. Personally, I don't like trying to memorize everything and prefer playing games without that element. However, one could argue that memory is just another skillset important in some games, just like negotiation and people-skills. I hate the latter, but I don't go around asking people to handicap themselves by announcing their true motivations when they're trying to convince someone of something!
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I do. True motivations or bust!
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