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Christian Lemay
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Anyone keeping stats of win / loss for each character?

I would like to participate and consult the overall thing.

Google sheet maybe...
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There used to be a lot of tier discussion on the discord. We're now running a tournament with Season 1 and 2 characters together and have some results from that.

Alice is S tier and there is good consensus on some A tier characters.
 
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chucklyfun wrote:
There used to be a lot of tier discussion on the discord. We're now running a tournament with Season 1 and 2 characters together and have some results from that.

Alice is S tier and there is good consensus on some A tier characters.

Sorry for my English...
What does S tier and A tier mean?

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It is like a school grading for how good a character is compared to the other characters available.

S: Best of the best, advantage against all of the characters.
A: Really good, advantage against most of the characters.
B: Good with work, advantage against more than half of the characters.
C: Middle of the pack, advantage against half of the characters.
D: Weaker, advantage against less than half of the characters.
E: Weakest, advantage against only a few or none of the characters.

Hope this helps.
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Rook96 wrote:
It is like a school grading for how good a character is compared to the other characters available.

S: Best of the best, advantage against all of the characters.
A: Really good, advantage against most of the characters.
B: Good with work, advantage against more than half of the characters.
C: Middle of the pack, advantage against half of the characters.
D: Weaker, advantage against less than half of the characters.
E: Weakest, advantage against only a few or none of the characters.

Hope this helps.

I would say that S tier is more severe then this. They don't have to be advantaged vs everyone either, it's that they are so dominant that they invalidate a lot of the cast. If an S tier character pops up they would need to be banned in competitive play otherwise your tournament will be taken over by the S tier characters and the few (if any) non-S tier characters that can actually deal with them.

I also think your other tiers are too simplistic. A character could be higher up in the tier list if he has only a handful of advantaged mu but those advantaged mu are against other higher tiered characters.

Either way if a game has any S tier or D or lower something should be done to bring those characters in line or they can really mess up the game (especially S tier).
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ClanNatioy wrote:
Rook96 wrote:
It is like a school grading for how good a character is compared to the other characters available.

S: Best of the best, advantage against all of the characters.
A: Really good, advantage against most of the characters.
B: Good with work, advantage against more than half of the characters.
C: Middle of the pack, advantage against half of the characters.
D: Weaker, advantage against less than half of the characters.
E: Weakest, advantage against only a few or none of the characters.

Hope this helps.

I would say that S tier is more severe then this. They don't have to be advantaged vs everyone either, it's that they are so dominant that they invalidate a lot of the cast. If an S tier character pops up they would need to be banned in competitive play otherwise your tournament will be taken over by the S tier characters and the few (if any) non-S tier characters that can actually deal with them.

I also think your other tiers are too simplistic. A character could be higher up in the tier list if he has only a handful of advantaged mu but those advantaged mu are against other higher tiered characters.

Either way if a game has any S tier or D or lower something should be done to bring those characters in line or they can really mess up the game (especially S tier).

All of that is true - I tried to keep it simple because he said English was tricky.
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S tier essentially defines a tournament meta all by themselves, and there is good reason to believe that using just season 1, this is Alice. Competitively, you'd either want to pick her, or pick specifically to counter her, or you will likely have problems. She will probably be banned in a lot of tournaments to get rid of that status.

In a meta without Alice, top tier isn't 100% settled, but it probably includes Morathi and Mei Lien. Morathi is super consistent, and Mei Lien has a lot of powerful tools. Lots of people like Lily, so you'd see her picked a lot, and might see picks to counter her. Juno and Devris are both pretty good.

After that its pretty hard to nail down where everyone fits. Its hard to nail down even where that top tier is exactly. But there are three that are awkward enough they should probably be ignored competitively. Nehtali, Eva, and Vincent all have so unfortunate problems which put them in a lower tier than anyone else. S1 you miiight get away with relying on one as a surprise for people who underestimate you. But there are better options.
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In the early SF2 days they would get two expert players to play every matchup for 10 games, then record the results. You would then be able to get an idea of who sits where.

The problem is that is a lot of games of Exceed and you need two players who can play everyone well. Maybe a weekend affair?
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For season 1 plus promos that would be 1760 games. Take a bit of time to hammer through those.
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