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Robb Melenyk
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I've often wrestled the fact that with newer gamers, I can't "sell them" on Euro games. Do I just flat out avoid the theme? I love Agricola and Thurn and Taxis and other Euros but I find the theme is a bear to get around.

How do you guys describe Euros to newer gamers where the theme might impact that person's decision to play?
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I just let my enthusiasm for the game show. Usually the theme in euros interests the people I talk to. Or sometimes I talk about an interesting mechanism in the game, or how awesome the components are. If they're not interested of course you can't make them play, so it kind of depends on the person.

I don't think I ever pull Agricola: ACBS out without saying, "And look at the cute little animals!" It either gets an "Aww!" or a chuckle, depending on who I'm talking to. I could do the same thing with Fields of Arle, which I love, but that game is so hefty that I don't introduce it to newbs.


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Try to sell them on how the game plays. Themes on Euros don't usually mean that much anyway.

Show Manager is a set collection game where you have to borrow against previous completed sets to fund collecting new ones. I like the mechanism and it plays very well with 6. When I told a friend the theme was putting on musicals, he refused to play it.
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To the tune of "My Favorite Things"...

Dealing in high art, stomping grapes on the pad,
Herding the cattle, oh the fun you will have.

Roaming the landscape in big mech-y ways,
These are some of my favorite euro games!

Building from rubble, carving cuddle rooms,
Survive all the plagues, market yummy food.

Terraform planets so they're never the same,
These are some of my favorite euro games!

Appease aztec gods, navigate the canals,
Design the best cars, explore space with your pals.

Fighting for dominance of the pre-ice age,
These are some of my favorite euro games!

So when it's only
Clue and Sorry,
And it makes me sad...
I simply remember my favorite euro games,
And then I don't feel so bad!
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Focus on mechanics and downplay the theme. If they say they don't like the theme, tell them it is pasted on and its the mechanics and gameplay that make it shine.

Also, figure out if they like more interactive games or more multiplayer solitaire. If they like screwage, then emphasise those types of games.
 
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It's not just about the German post office, it's about 16th CENTURY German post office.

If that doesn't wow them, offer to buy them a beer if they try it and don't like it.
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Be brutally honest about the game.

Village: you try to kill off your iwn family members in a race to the cemetery in order to claim tbe best graves
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Hahaha...good question! I remember going on a camping trip last year, and I wanted to teach my Dad and his friends something other than Scrabble, so I brought Catan. They asked what it was about, and I said, "Oh it's a game about managing resources like brick and wood and sheep"...they looked at me as if I had farted in their face. Hilarious! They loved the game, though.
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jmsmith2434 wrote:
Be brutally honest about the game.

Village: you try to kill off your iwn family members in a race to the cemetery in order to claim tbe best graves


Agricola: you are enslaving, exploiting and slaughtering animals and whoever does it the best wins
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Say 'this is a good game. Trust me, play'.

If they don't listen, they are idiots.
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"I've got just the games that will renew your love for Monopoly!"

"Exhausted from all that player interaction and chance generated excitement in those old games? I've got your solution. You'll just need some coffee and a smart phone with some games on it."
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For those games that are commonly labeled "Euro games" excitement is not a design objective. I wouldn't even try.

Pete (thinks you either enjoy the analysis or you don't, but you're generally not in that type of game for the thrill of it)
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Meet them halfway. Find a Euro that has a theme that isn't utterly dull. (I know that's a hard task, but I'm sure it's feasible).
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TeChNoWC wrote:
jmsmith2434 wrote:
Be brutally honest about the game.

Village: you try to kill off your iwn family members in a race to the cemetery in order to claim tbe best graves


Agricola: you are enslaving, exploiting and slaughtering animals and whoever does it the best wins


Don't leave out the abusive child labor!
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robbcorp26 wrote:
How do you guys describe Euros to newer gamers where the theme might impact that person's decision to play?


I don't. I schedule my game days with a specific euro outright stated as the first game we'll play. Once that game is over, people can play whatever they fancy.

They know what they're getting into when they agree to come over. devil

~V
 
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Peer pressure. Hey, it worked for smoking.

Make sure you have more euro-converts present, enough to outnumber invitees handily, and invite only 1 or 2 unsuspecting 'other' gamers over. Unless they are natural nonconformists, they will want to fit in and go along. If they enjoy themselves in spite of their preconceptions, enough to show up again, they're safely done. Move on to the next target.

If not, write them off and move on.
 
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Meet them halfway. Find a Euro that has a theme that isn't utterly dull. (I know that's a hard task, but I'm sure it's feasible).


This. Not all Euros have dry boring ass themes.

Dungeon Petz has a really fun theme, and great art.
 
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Touchfuzzy wrote:
Dungeon Petz has a really fun theme, and great art.


Expect for the whole - completely coincidental - free food when the pet dies.
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I just ask them if you want to be a farmer, a cowboy, a pet monster shop owner, a merchant, a vintner or a hotelier, etc.
 
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EMBison wrote:
Touchfuzzy wrote:
Dungeon Petz has a really fun theme, and great art.


Expect for the whole - completely coincidental - free food when the pet dies.

It could be worse. Only the old Petz are killed off... not the puppies or kittens.
 
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I am one of these Europhobic players, and for me, the theme is ALL that matters. Terra Mystica is probably the most Euro game in the world, but because it's about a fantasy kingdom full of nonhuman races, I was willing to put in the effort. Nobody is ever going to convince me to make dresses in "Rococo" or to sit down for a session of "Industrial Waste", but you could probably convince me to play functionally identical games if you simply reskinned them so that Rococo was now about crafting magic items, and Industrial Waste was redone into a boardgame version of Mystic Vale. (Fantasy isn't the ONLY theme I go for, but it is a very versatile one; I can even imagine a version of "Campaign Manager 2008" which is about a competition between white and black wizards. Games about dinosaurs and Egypt are two of my other mainstays, but I tend to have more expectations about specific things that those games ought to have, in order not to seem "tacked on". One of the few really heavy Euros I actually will play is Egizia, which is probably the most Egyptian game ever made; I don't think I've ever seen a Dinosaur Euro, but if I do, I'm likely to try it.)
 
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I'm with April, your enthusiasm should shine through. Maybe I'm weird, but I find Agricola to be pretty thematically engaging and I usually pitch it by saying "This is easily the best ever game about subsistence agriculture in medieval Germany!"
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collectible cardinal wrote:
I am one of these Europhobic players, and for me, the theme is ALL that matters. Terra Mystica is probably the most Euro game in the world, but because it's about a fantasy kingdom full of nonhuman races, I was willing to put in the effort.

This. I have near zero interest in re-enacting colonial settlement of Puerto Rico, but it's space-themed nephew Roll for the Galaxy is one of my favorites. Similarly, the generic fantasy theme put me off of Terra Mystica so hard, but I am mad pumped for the space retheme.
collectible cardinal wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a Dinosaur Euro, but if I do, I'm likely to try it.)

Hmm...how do you feel about the ice age?
 
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Similarly, the generic fantasy theme put me off of Terra Mystica so hard, but I am mad pumped for the space retheme.


Arooouuh? I must haz details....

collectible cardinal wrote:
Hmm...how do you feel about the ice age?


I did think of that one, but it doesn't have actual dinosaurs, despite the box art; it just has "reptiles". A general "evolution" theme COULD work for me, but it's not as good as "Dinosaurs" specifically, and also Dominant Species is like a 4-hour game, which has deterred me hard from putting in the effort to learn it.
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collectible cardinal wrote:
wamsp wrote:
Similarly, the generic fantasy theme put me off of Terra Mystica so hard, but I am mad pumped for the space retheme.


Arooouuh? I must haz details....


Enjoy: Gaia Project
 
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