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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2...

Now any resident can challenge materials used in public school on the grounds that it is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented. Affadvits by supporters indicate that - appallingly - evolution is being taught as reality. The affidavits also appear to advocate removal of library books teaching such subjects.

Schools will now need an "unbiased hearing officer" to decide such (presumably unending) requests from every Tom, Dick, and Harry* in Florida. One wonders what unbiased means in this context. A familiarization with creation myths? A belief in them along with a science degree? A Christian scientist? Not to mention the costs involved. Is Florida floating in school funding?

I cannot remember a more stupid law in recent memory. How can anyone who wants small government and liberty be in favor of this? Oh wait...

*so sexist of me. Edit: And every Nancy, Jane, and Mary.
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I think of it more as the over-presumption of equality.

Yes, we have, more or less*, equal rights and an equal right to choose our leaders, but that does not mean our opinions have the same value. My opinion about whether this DNA matches that DNA is worthless (though I assume I could learn). Their opinion on evolution--well, evolution really isn't that hard, but they aren't even trying to think about it.

*All sorts of things, like inherited wealth give some people more rights than others. Various things disallow voting, from conviction of a felony to profound dementia; or youth.
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Another chapter in the death of expertise.

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The easiest test of this is ask these people if they would like Hindu creationism, Shinto creationism, et al. taught as just as viable as Chistian creationism.
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This is the key part of the article

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The legislation, which was signed by Gov. Rick Scott (R) this week and goes into effect Saturday, requires school boards to hire an “unbiased hearing officer” who will handle complaints about instructional materials, such as movies, textbooks and novels, that are used in local schools. Any parent or county resident can file a complaint, regardless of whether they have a student in the school system. If the hearing officer deems the challenge justified, he or she can require schools to remove the material in question.


Enacting the law is phase one. Making sure that their allies are put into the positions of the "unbiased hearing officer" is phase two. Evolution, climate change, the causes of the civil war, all these things are about to take on a different meaning in the curriculum of the "great" state of Florida

Edit: So the "unbiased hearing officer" should be more properly called the "religious/social thought police". We are closer to "1984" that even I thought possible. Thank you GOP
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Face it, there are a lot of people who don't like it when their ignorance, biases, superstitions, bigotry, misogyny, and racism is challenged. These people are now banding together, gathering political clout, and conducting a reactionary campaign to return things to the way they were, circa 1955, when everything was great, especially (only) if you were a straight white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male. These people are America's version of the Taliban, a bunch of religiously motivated fanatics trying to push back the hands of time and reverse the progress of the last 50 years. And in some ways, they may be winning...
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Face it, there are a lot of people who don't like it when their ignorance, biases, superstitions, bigotry, misogyny, and racism is challenged. These people are now banding together, gathering political clout, and conducting a reactionary campaign to return things to the way they were, circa 1955, when everything was great, especially (only) if you were a straight white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male. These people are America's version of the Taliban, a bunch of religiously motivated fanatics trying to push back the hands of time and reverse the progress of the last 50 years. And in some ways, they may be winning...


...Dominionism
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Face it, there are a lot of people who don't like it when their ignorance, biases, superstitions, bigotry, misogyny, and racism is challenged. These people are now banding together, gathering political clout, and conducting a reactionary campaign to return things to the way they were, circa...

...1855.

FTFY.
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dkearns wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Face it, there are a lot of people who don't like it when their ignorance, biases, superstitions, bigotry, misogyny, and racism is challenged. These people are now banding together, gathering political clout, and conducting a reactionary campaign to return things to the way they were, circa 1955, when everything was great, especially (only) if you were a straight white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male. These people are America's version of the Taliban, a bunch of religiously motivated fanatics trying to push back the hands of time and reverse the progress of the last 50 years. And in some ways, they may be winning...


...Dominionism


As time passes James's posts concerning Dominionism are getting closer and closer to reality. We have crap like this occurring, we have anti-protest legislation being attempted in over twenty states, we have conservative states and governors trying to undermine the Obergefell ruling at every turn, and we have the religious pushing more and more to be able to discriminate against others as a religious exemption to be enacted as law, and we have the SC ruling that it's ok to fund church projects where overt religious activities occur, and we have an aging SC where most of the reasonable judges are coming quickly to retirement with a near fascist president in power, and we have an EPA that is willing to dismiss scientists from their advisory boards to satisfy their corporate cronies, and we have a big push to eliminate the Johnson amendment that prevents churches from basically becoming Super Pacs for the candidate of their choice, and we have an administration that's willing to collude with Russians to gain power, etc...

If you have been ignoring James's posts, because of his online persona, you really owe it to yourself to check them out and actually read their content. Which is sadly, fast becoming closer to the truth.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2...

Now any resident can challenge materials used in public school on the grounds that it is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented. Affadvits by supporters indicate that - appallingly - evolution is being taught as reality. The affidavits also appear to advocate removal of library books teaching such subjects.

Schools will now need an "unbiased hearing officer" to decide such (presumably unending) requests from every Tom, Dick, and Harry* in Florida. One wonders what unbiased means in this context. A familiarization with creation myths? A belief in them along with a science degree? A Christian scientist? Not to mention the costs involved. Is Florida floating in school funding?

I cannot remember a more stupid law in recent memory. How can anyone who wants small government and liberty be in favor of this? Oh wait...

*so sexist of me. Edit: And every Nancy, Jane, and Mary.

Hey, they could hire me! I'm unbiased! When it comes to science, I have a definite bias towards the truth! This job could be a lot of fun, telling parent after parent after parent, "Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I have conducted a thorough investigation, and am pleased to inform you what is being taught is proper science. Please be assured that you need have no worries; your child is receiving at our school the high quality science education which has made our school one of the most renowned in Florida. Your vigilance is greatly appreciated; please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if you have any further concerns."
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Oh, shreve convinced me very easily, but then I already believed in a vast right wing conspiracy known as the Family or the Foundation.

I stopped reading or even skimming his posts because he isn't nice and they're too long.

But I believed. It seemed quite likely.

I didn't flee the country in 2013 over this, it was economics. My wife is Thai and still had family here. We live quit well on $1800 a month. We have the nicest used car I've ever owned, etc.

In a way I'm glad I'm not there, I do feel bad for America.

But, I have been trying to get everyone to listen for 40 years. It isn't my fault. I failed to be able to turn the tide, but then can one man really expect to win against the tide?

Finally, some people seem to be awakening to the situation, but it may be too late. It isn't even just America, the whole world has done nothing about the coming collapse for 40 years. De Nile is not a river in Egypt. It is what has maybe doomed you all.

It is said that Nobody likes 'an I told you so'. Well, nobody ever liked me so I guess that is true.
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One wonders what the legislation says about how an “unbiased hearing officer” is chosen or who exactly would qualify. I suspect it's going to be the local right wingnut parent who volunteers.
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bob_santafe wrote:

Hey, they could hire me! I'm unbiased! When it comes to science, I have a definite bias towards the truth! This job could be a lot of fun, telling parent after parent after parent, "Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I have conducted a thorough investigation, and am pleased to inform you what is being taught is proper science. Please be assured that you need have no worries; your child is receiving at our school the high quality science education which has made our school one of the most renowned in Florida. Your vigilance is greatly appreciated; please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if you have any further concerns."


But how many will hire "I don't really understand the subject but I feel...." followed by "back when I was in school" and "a parent knows best"?

 
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