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As you might know, I've been thinking about getting a new game for a very, very long time. Other than A Most Dangerous Time, which I love but barely get to play, the last game I got was three years ago. My birthday is approaching quick and I think it may be the time to actually go and get something new.

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a) My group is composed of exactly 3 people. This is why Genoa goes unplayed and why I haven't bought Cosmic Encounter.
b) One of the players hates the feeling of being "out of the game" and I dislike it too. So this is something to avoid
c) We are very competitive players. We met through Netrunner tournaments and we like discussing strategy and potential moves.
d) I would like a game in which you build/own something and have a position on the board.
e) Some games I like are: Netrunner, Steam (favourite game), The Republic of Rome, 18XX. Martin Wallace is my favourite designer. I like a lot of old, monster stuff I'll never play (Civilization, Dune, Revolution: The Dutch Revolt etc.)
f) Some of the games my group plays that I like: Chicago Express, Tragedy Looper, Blood Rage, Terraforming Mars Also a bunch of ok-ish coop games.
g) I like games which are very interactive and a bit mean.

Some stuff I'm considering:

Antiquity
The Great Zimbabwe
Three Kingdom Redux (Told the core game is great, but a bit underdeveloped)
Pax Porifiana/Pax Renaissance
A Handful of Stars (Looks _great_ but I haven't heard anything about it until yesterday. I think my group likes deckbuilding, too)
Yspahan (Cute, but I need the expansion too and that's a pain in the ass to get)
Continental Divide (Moar train game, I guess)

Thoughts?
 
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Andreas Kortegaard
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Maybe take a look at Churchill and Cry Havoc.
Seems we have similar tastes and group, I think two big questions to answer is the pace you go through games with, and how you like your assymetry.
My group goes through games pretty quickly and it leads to some games falling flat, because you really need 4-5 games to get to grips with strategies and counter-strategies, get to now cards/capailities and so on.

good luck hunting.
 
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Strategy heavy 3p game that is very interactive and mean.
Any of the Pax games you listed and also Pax Pamir
Great Zimbabwe, as you listed, is a great choice.
Conflict heavy deck building, where you have a position on the board: Time of Crisis
Maria must also be listed. I think it's getting a reprint soon.
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Caylus is strategy-heavy, mean, and best at 3.
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+1 on the Pax games.

You might also try Archipelago (the War and Peace expansion makes it meaner) with three.
 
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Unfair? Not extremely heavy and no board but definitely mean.
 
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Three Kingdoms Redux sounds perfect, since it's exactly 3 players, has lots of strategy and the bid mechanic allows more meanness than typical Euro-blocking.

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http://www.miniaturemarket.com/reviewcorner/three-kingdoms-r...
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Brass?
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I'm not sure if it will be "mean" enough for your group, but ZhanGuo is strategy-heavy, works with 3P, requires you to build/own on the board, and is quite competitive.
 
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Exactly 3 people and a fan of Martin Wallace suggests older Treefrog titles like After the Flood and God's Playground. Of course these days those titles don't come cheap... but hey, it's your b-day so splurge! Then there are things like Ships and Brass.

The Great Zim is of course an excellent choice all around, but you're not exactly building something you yourself own. The space is shared and can be used by others. Everyone has to pay (you too!) and things can get blocked that way.

Reef Encounter too would work marvellously at three. Forget about the expansion, tho.



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Take a look at Innovation

The BBG consensus is that it is best with 2. I disagree and think that 3 is it. No board, but you are building your own stuff. Very interactive -- indeed, the people who prefer the 2p version mostly do so because they don't want as much interactivity as the 3p game gives them. All the meanness you could ever want.

There are scores of ways to win this game. Great room for devising strategies. And then watch them get shot to pieces as somebody finds the mean way to stop this. Plays quickly enough that 'I want a rematch!' is easily accomodated.

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Perhaps Three Kingdoms Redux.

Balanced for three. Strategic (and heavy) worker-placement.
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Ogre or Sequence are games you may like to try.
 
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Hansa Teutonica sounds right up your alley. Very dry, but heavy on interaction.
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3p game, building/position on a board, interaction and possible meanness.

I'd go for:

Caylus - classic worker placement, but surprisingly cutthroat for that sort of game. You're not necessarily stabbing each other all the time but there's an underlying tension of distrust when it comes time to move the provost.

Tigris and Euphrates - The stabbiest tile placement game ever.

Great Western Trail - works great at 3p. It's not super-interactive compared to T&E but there's some sutble stuff you can do where you can build buildings to slow people down or cost them money, and you can also select tiles for the board that block or hinder another player's progress.

Mombasa - This is basically a stocks game, and everything you do has the potential to raise or lower points for all players.
 
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Big +1 for Caylus, End of the Triumvirate, and Tigris & Euphrates
 
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So I have three games for that group.

First is Maria - it is designed for 3 very interactive and can be mean. Great design.
Second is Forbidden Stars - the game works best with 3 is highly interactive and strategic.
Third is Food Chain Magnate - the game is one of the meanest games I have played despite it being about fast food chains.
 
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Terra Mystica works well to keep you involved during other people's turns.
 
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Three Kingdoms Redux or Pax Renaissance

TKR you hear is underdeveloped?!?
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General_Norris wrote:
Three Kingdom Redux (Told the core game is great, but a bit underdeveloped)
Thoughts?

I am one of the two co-designers of Three Kingdoms Redux. May I invite you to peruse the following thread:

Collation of Three Kingdoms Redux material
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I just picked up argent: the consortium. There's a good bit of strategy and, unlike terra mystics, you have player interaction. You can kick each other's workers out of their spots through a variety of means. Plus no one is ever really out of the game. You can also end rounds early if and other players may not be able to play all actions possible.
 
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