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Jim F
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The BEF (myself and fellow Brit) will be arriving in Brussels on the 21st of August and departing on the 26th. We will have access to a car.

We are currently planning to visit some of the Ardennes battlefields/Waterloo and Arnhem.

This is really a call out to any Belgian/Dutch grognards (and any others with experience of these areas). Are there any military museums/historical nuggets that we shouldn't miss out on our trip?
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A whole lot of them

I've organized some battlefield tours myself (Bulge, Market-Garden, Waterloo, WW1, Normandy) and have lots of documentation at home. Currently on holiday - Will contact you in 10 days
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Hi!

Remember to visit Eben Emael.
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Concerning museums in Arnhem dedicated to operation Market Garden I can highly recommend http://en.airbornemuseum.nl. It is situated in the former hotel Hartenstein which served as the HQ of the 1st British Airborne Division during the main part of operation Market Garden. In this museum (and also at the Tourist Information) you can get a map and make a walking tour through Arnhem to visit the places of interest (though there is not much left from the time period of september 1944, Arnhem has changed a lot since then). Enjoy your stay!
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You can find het Oorlogsmuseum (War museum) in Overloon, dedicated to WW2.

It is east of Eindhoven and north of Venray.
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Unless you are already an expert on Waterloo perhaps, I can strongly recommend, both reading beforehand and bringing with you, a copy of https://www.amazon.com/Fields-Glory-Battlefields-Campaign-Na...



Not only a decent account of the battle but integrated with a battlefield tour of the field, with lots of decent maps and diagrams. I took it on my last visit, and I have read widely on the Napoleonic Wars for decades, and got a lot more out of it.

Also, if you possibly can, bring a couple of bicycles with you. There are many battlefields where a bike is far more useful than a car when you get there. Often the roads are narrow and parking tricky and you can stop anywhere on a bike and view the scene or take a photo which you tend not to do if using just a car. Again I had previously just drove and walked and was exhausted by the end of each day, I would not go back to not using a bike once you get somewhere via car.
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I spent a whole week in just the Ardennes. I suspect the issue will be trying to condense as much as possible into such a relatively short trip.

If you have access to the maps from the Kampfgruppe Peiper HASL maps, it's fun to bring them along and compare them to the actual battlefields. We spent a day just re-tracing his route from the front line to the Stoumont/Chenuex area.
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We will be cherry picking because of the time issue.
 
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Hi Jim,

In the Ardennes, go to Bastogne of course. I would recommend the Military Museum in Diekirch, Luxembourg, one of the best in the Ardennes I reckon.

Some more info on some points of interest including Band of brothers related stuff:
https://tanksandtrenches.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/battle-of-...

Even further south near Luxembourg city there is the US Military cemetery where Patton is buried, but if you are short of time I would skip it.

Unfortunately I am away at the end of August otherwise it would have been a pleasure to show you around...

David

PS: I can also second Eben Emael. Its just outside Maastricht which is a nice town in itself...
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Toastiness wrote:
Hi Jim,

In the Ardennes, go to Bastogne of course. I would recommend the Military Museum in Diekirch, Luxembourg, one of the best in the Ardennes I reckon.

Some more info on some points of interest including Band of brothers related stuff:
https://tanksandtrenches.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/battle-of-...

Even further south near Luxembourg city there is the US Military cemetery where Patton is buried, but if you are short of time I would skip it.

Unfortunately I am away at the end of August otherwise it would have been a pleasure to show you around...

David

PS: I can also second Eben Emael. Its just outside Maastricht which is a nice town in itself...


Diekerch was very good IIRC, as was the La Glieze museum. I think the one outside Bastogne as expanded since we were there.
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Marty S wrote:

Diekerch was very good IIRC, as was the La Glieze museum. I think the one outside Bastogne as expanded since we were there.


The Bastogne War museum at the Marcasson was redone a few years ago. It still has hardware and equipment but it is more focused on the experience of war from the perspective of four fictional participants: two soldiers and two civilians. I found the animated scenes a bit hokey to be honest.

Diekirch is very much more hardware-centric with a few well done full size dioramas.
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I prefer the hardware approach, given a choice. Thanks for the heads up David.
 
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anijunk wrote:
You can find het Oorlogsmuseum (War museum) in Overloon, dedicated to WW2.

It is east of Eindhoven and north of Venray.
https://www.oorlogsmuseum.nl/nl/tentoonstellingen/?gclid=CI-... for more information.
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The one and only Hougoumont


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Last year I went with my family to visit some of the more famous WW1 sites. To balance things out I thought it worth visiting a German site and decided to visit Lommel cemetery (mostly WW2). Apparently the Belgians made the Germans consolidate their cemeteries into just a handful of sites on Belgian soil, which means that the numbers involved are much larger than most of the Allied / Entente commemorative sites. The scale of Lommel really brought home the numbers involved. So, I just recommend visiting a site that gives the perspective of "the other" side.
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I recommend the book by John Waddy: A Tour of the Arnhem Battlefields. Nicely illustrated and full of information, both on the battle and the actual touring of the 'battlefield'. There is a map with numbered stands which then goes on to explain the portion of the battle that happened there. It also contains many accounts of the soldiers who fought there.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tour-Arnhem-Battlefields-John-Waddy...

It's also cheaper than when I bought it several years ago and a Kindle version which is very good value.
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I own it But you are right, it's an excellent book.
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I can highly recommend www.walkingwaterloo.com - but then I would
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Jan van der Laan wrote:
anijunk wrote:
You can find het Oorlogsmuseum (War museum) in Overloon, dedicated to WW2.

It is east of Eindhoven and north of Venray.
https://www.oorlogsmuseum.nl/nl/tentoonstellingen/?gclid=CI-... for more information.


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So one day at Waterloo, one at Arnhem and one at Bastogne; sounds like you ought to add Verdun to the agenda.
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Don't forget the fortress town of Liege!
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