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Ryan Keane
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Here is my list of 19 track designs for the 2017 Tour de France stages. Basically, what I'm doing is taking the last 70 km of each stage and trying to break it down into flats, ascents, and descents, with each 1 km of real track equaling 1 space of FR track. I don't use the terrain lines printed on the track tiles, since they limit my options, so to recreate these tracks you will need to use homemade markers on the track to indicate where each new terrain section starts.

The numbers indicate which space from 0 to 70 that terrain changes to a new type: F = flat, A = ascent, D = descent, and L = finish line. Spaces behind the starting line are flat terrain unless noted otherwise. I have indicated which km marker corresponds to each terrain switch and included the profile image for comparison. I will also be adding some information on stage type, intermediate sprint locations, and KoM locations and climb category – I’ll leave it to you to decide if and how to incorporate those into your VP scoring.

Stage 1 – Time Trial stage skipped

Stage 2 - Liege
0F,18A,20D,22F,29A,32F,43D,47A,50D,53F,70L
133,151,153,155,162,165,176,180,183,186,203
Flat Stage
KoM: 50 (183km) – Cat4


Stage 3 - Longwy
0F,6D,8A,9F,46A,47F,51D,52A,54F,64D,67A,70L
144,150,152,153,190,191,195,196,198,209,211,214
Hilly Stage – Summit Finish
KoM: 54 (198km) – Cat4, 70 (214km) – Cat3


Stage 4 - Vittel
0F,29A,33F,37D,39F,70L
137,166,170,174,176,207
Flat Stage
Intermediate Sprint – 20 (157km)
KoM: 33 (170km) – Cat4


Stage 5 – La Planche des Belles Filles
0F,1D,4F,15A,21F,29D,37F,48A,51F,57A,59D,61F,64A,70L
90,91,94,105,111,119,127,138,141,147,149,151,154,160
Medium Mountain Stage – Summit Finish
Intermediate Sprint: 12 (102km)
KoM: 17 (107km) – Cat3, 70 (160km) – Cat1 (note the 1st KoM line is mid-way through the 1st ascent)


Stage 6 - Troyes
0F,6A,8D,10F,16A,19F,54D,57F,70L
146,152,154,156,162,165,200,203,216
Flat Stage
KoM: 8 (154km) – Cat4


Stage 7 – Nuits-Saint-Georges
0F,2A,7F,16D,20F,70L
143,145,150,159,163,213
Flat Stage
KoM: NA - too close to start


Stage 8 – Station des Rousses
0F,3D,12A,21F,26D,31A,34F,36D,42F,47A,58F,70L
117,120,129,138,143,148,151,153,159,164,175,187
Medium Mountain Stage – Summit Finish
KoM: 21 (138km) – Cat2, 58 (175km) – Cat1


Stage 9 - Chambery
0F,17A,23F,27D,29A,45D,57F,70L
111,128,134,138,140,156,168,181
High Mountain Stage
Intermediate Sprint: 15 (126km)
KoM: 23 (134km) – Cat4, 45 (156km) - HC


Stage 10 - Bergerac
0F,26A,30D,32F,70L
108,134,138,140,178
Flat Stage
Intermediate Sprint: 13 (121km)
KoM: 30 (138km) – Cat4


Stage 11 - Pau
0F,11A,13F,59D,61F,70L
133,144,146,192,194,203
Flat Stage
Intermediate Sprint: 9 (142km)
KoM: 11 (144km) - Cat4


Stage 12 - Peyragudes
(-4D),0D,5F,15A,18F,21A,40D,56A,65F,70L
144,149,159,162,165,184,200,209,214
Note: the spaces behind the starting line are all descent terrain
High Mountain Stage – Summit Finish
KoM: 40 (184km) – HC, 65 (209km) – Cat1


Stage 13 - Foix
0D,5A,15D,19F,22D,29F,35A,43F,47D,56F,70L
31,36,46,50,53,60,66,74,78,87,101
High Mountain Stage
KoM: 15 (46km) – Cat1, 43 (74km) – Cat1


Stage 14 - Rodez
0F,14D,17A,20F,29D,31A,34F,46D,50F,55A,59F,65D,70L
111,125,128,131,140,142,145,157,161,166,170,176,181
Hilly Stage
KoM: 20 (131km) – Cat3, 34 (145km) – Cat3


Stage 15 – Le Puy-en-Velay
0F,1D,5F,15D,22F,29A,39D,48F,54D,56A,58F,61D,65F,70L
119,120,124,134,141,148,158,167,173,175,177,180,184,189
Medium Mountain Stage
KoM: 39 (158km) – Cat1, 58 (177km) – Cat4


Stage 16 – Romans-sur-Isere
0F,9D,14F,51A,53F,70L
95,104,109,146,148,165
Flat Stage
Intermediate Sprint: 26 (121km)


Stage 17 – Serre Chevalier
0F,6A,19D,24A,42D,63F,70L
113,119,132,137,155,176,183
High Mountain Stage
KoM: 19 (132km) – Cat1, 42 (155km) - HC


Stage 18 – Col d’Izoard
0F,12A,20D,27F,32D,39F,56A,70L
109,121,129,136,141,148,165,179
High Mountain Stage – Summit Finish
KoM: 20 (129km) – Cat1, 70 (179km) - HC


Stage 19 – Salon-de-Provence
0D,6F,17A,25D,34F,70L
152,158,169,177,186,222
Hilly Stage
KoM: 25 (177km) – Cat3


Stage 20 – Time Trial stage skipped

Stage 21 – Champs-Elysees
0F,70L
33,103
Flat Stage
Intermediate Sprint: 30 (63km)




If you want to track completely separately GC time, Points (referred to as Sprint Points – SP), and King of the Mountains (referred to as Mountain Points – MP), here is my attempt at the TdF points breakdowns for each of my FR stage designs. The numbers before the hyphens indicate the space where cyclists will score SP or MP for being 1st/2nd/3rd/etc. The numbers after the hyphens with slashes indicate how many points to award for 1st/2nd/…8th (I’m stopping at 8 cyclists - I don’t have the expansion 😉 ).

Stage 2 - Liege
Points: 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP
KoM: 50 – 1 MP

Stage 3 - Longwy
Points: 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 54 – 1 MP; 70 – 2/1 MP

Stage 4 - Vittel
Points: 20 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP
KoM: 33 – 1 MP

Stage 5 – La Planche des Belles Filles
Points: 12 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 17 – 2/1 MP; 70 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP

Stage 6 - Troyes
Points: 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP
KoM: 8 - 1 MP

Stage 7 – Nuits-Saint-Georges
Points: 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP

Stage 8 – Station des Rousses
Points: 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 21 – 5/3/2/1 MP; 58 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP

Stage 9 - Chambery
Points: 15 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP
KoM: 23 – 1 MP; 45 – 20/15/12/10/8/6/4/2 MP

Stage 10 - Bergerac
Points: 13 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP
KoM: 30 – 1 MP

Stage 11 - Pau
Points: 9 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP
KoM: 11 – 1 MP

Stage 12 - Peyragudes
Points: 70 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP
KoM: 40 – 20/15/12/10/8/6/4/2 MP; 65 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP

Stage 13 - Foix
Points: 70 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP
KoM: 15 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP; 43 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP

Stage 14 - Rodez
Points: 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 20 – 2/1 MP; 34 – 2/1 MP

Stage 15 – Le Puy-en-Velay
Points: 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 39 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP; 58 – 1 MP

Stage 16 – Romans-sur-Isere
Points: 26 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP

Stage 17 – Serre Chevalier
Points: 70 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP
KoM: 19 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP; 42 – 20/15/12/10/8/6/4/2 MP

Stage 18 – Col d’Izoard
Points: 70 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP
KoM: 20 – 10/8/6/4/2/1 MP; 70 – 40/30/24/20/16/12/8/4 MP

Stage 19 – Salon-de-Provence
Points: 70 - 30/25/22/19/17/15/13/11 SP
KoM: 25 – 2/1 MP

Stage 21 – Champs-Elysees
Points: 30 – 20/17/15/13/11/10/9/8 SP; 70 – 50/30/20/18/16/14/12/10 SP







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Ok, all 19 stages are done. Enjoy!
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I've added breakdowns of points available each stage, if you want to track Points Classification and Mountains Classification separately from GC time.

Although I'm sure I made some mistakes. Shouldn't Aru have gotten double mountain points for his stage 5 Cat1 summit finish?
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Fantastic work!!!!

Do you have any plans to make vuelta?
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Jagr25 wrote:
Fantastic work!!!! :)

Do you have any plans to make vuelta?


Thanks for the suggestion. I don't really watch the Vuelta, so it wasn't on my mind, but yes, I might work on that.

FYI to anyone considering using the TdF point system for these stages:
For determining the places on the intermediate sprint and KoM points, I've been treating them like you treat the finish line - e.g. if 2 cyclists pass the mid-stage line in the same round, the one that is farther across (or in the right lane if they're the same distance) crossed first, not the one that cross first in turn order.

I'm still on the fence with whether it's worth it in terms of interesting gameplay decisions to track the TdF points. The biggest benefit I'm seeing is that it provides a lot greater range and granularity to scores, especially to the Sprint Points, with no tied scores. Making flat stages worth more Sprint Points seems to give a natural boost to the Sprinters that struggle more on mountain stages, but I'm not sure the TdF stage categorizations of flat/hill/mountain properly match my FR stage designs. Intermediate sprints definitely can make the stage more interesting, incentivizing spending precious high cards for an early break away. KoM points are the ones I'm least sure about - the FR system doesn't simulate mountains well enough to make going for KoM points feel different from trying to win the stage/improve your GC. But I've also only been playing with bots and no special ability cards - 4 human players and special abilities would change things up.
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I agree with your point system and i think that your sugestion is great.
If you dont mind, I will use your system to create the stages of Volta a Portugal.
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Jagr25 wrote:
I agree with your point system and i think that your sugestion is great.
If you dont mind, I will use your system to create the stages of Volta a Portugal.


Of course - that would be great! I don't take any ownership over the process - it's really easy to recreate stages if you have a good enough profile image, and I'm finding them very interesting when you remove the limits of trying to fit the design using the track tiles.
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Great!
So, in the weekend I have made 4 of 9 Stages of Volta de Portugal.
My stages have the same configurarion of your TdF stages, but in the stages creation, I look to portuguese Map and I build the stages with the same directions (north to south, south to north, left to right or right to left)of the original road.
In the next saturday, I finish the stages and I will create a topic.
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