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Title says it all, or nearly. Is this game available anywhere in Europe?
 
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Punk Reaper wrote:
Title says it all, or nearly. Is this game available anywhere in Europe?


It is, in the sense that you can order it from our store, and we will ship it to you. But the shipping costs are pretty hefty.

We also offer a PNP option via Wargame Vault, which many of our overseas customers find more economical.
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That's a shame, anything imported is very expensive due to the postage , the U.K. Vat charges and the obligatory customs rather high handling fees.
 
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Punk Reaper wrote:
That's a shame, anything imported is very expensive due to the postage , the U.K. Vat charges and the obligatory customs rather high handling fees.


I definitely sympathize and understand where you and other folks overseas are coming from there. Unfortunately, the same print-on-demand methodology that lets us stay in business also prevents us from getting traditional distribution (overseas and domestic) for our products. (I talk about that a little bit here: https://soundcloud.com/tom-russell-995729159/mary-and-tom-ep...)

Thank you very much for your interest.
 
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    Seriously consider the WargameVault option. It's easier than you think, and you can get some killer games very inexpensively.

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tomrussell wrote:
Punk Reaper wrote:
That's a shame, anything imported is very expensive due to the postage , the U.K. Vat charges and the obligatory customs rather high handling fees.


I definitely sympathize and understand where you and other folks overseas are coming from there. Unfortunately, the same print-on-demand methodology that lets us stay in business also prevents us from getting traditional distribution (overseas and domestic) for our products. (I talk about that a little bit here: https://soundcloud.com/tom-russell-995729159/mary-and-tom-ep...)

Thank you very much for your interest.


To help Europeans with print and play it would be good if the files offered dimensions in cm as well as inches.

You could also look at whether the sizes are a neat fit for standard sizes. For example, the Agricola, Master of Britain boards are poorly sized for an A4 print, just too wide.

A slight adjustment, or even a different file version sized for A4 would make it more viable, otherwise there is cutting and gluing or a too small board.

Have you spoken to any of the specialist shops in Europe about a bulk order of a dozen or so on release, share some of the risk?
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BlackSpy wrote:
tomrussell wrote:
Punk Reaper wrote:
That's a shame, anything imported is very expensive due to the postage , the U.K. Vat charges and the obligatory customs rather high handling fees.


I definitely sympathize and understand where you and other folks overseas are coming from there. Unfortunately, the same print-on-demand methodology that lets us stay in business also prevents us from getting traditional distribution (overseas and domestic) for our products. (I talk about that a little bit here: https://soundcloud.com/tom-russell-995729159/mary-and-tom-ep...)

Thank you very much for your interest.


To help Europeans with print and play it would be good if the files offered dimensions in cm as well as inches.

You could also look at whether the sizes are a neat fit for standard sizes. For example, the Agricola, Master of Britain boards are poorly sized for an A4 print, just too wide.

A slight adjustment, or even a different file version sized for A4 would make it more viable, otherwise there is cutting and gluing or a too small board.


Unfortunately the chances of us resizing the files for A4 are pretty slim. That's only because for several titles-- and we do have quite a few titles-- we would need to have the artist re-draw/re-size the map in a special version, just for PNP sales, and we're not about to ask them to do that for free, and the added expense would not be off-set by the PNP sales of the game. We know A4 would be more convenient than US-letter-sized pages and increments for our European PNP customers, but since we're a US publisher working with a US printer, and the bulk of our business is in the physical products, it makes more sense for us to use maps and such that are sized in 8.5" x 11" increments.

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Have you spoken to any of the specialist shops in Europe about a bulk order of a dozen or so on release, share some of the risk?


We have spoken to many of the specialist shops in Europe. None of them are interested in buying our games at the lowest prices that we're able to offer. I don't blame them-- just as it doesn't make sense for us to sell it at a loss, it doesn't make sense for them to do the same. Our total shop orders are limited to one in the States-- the shipping's a whole heck of a lot cheaper-- and one in Japan. In the latter case, I'm 99% certain he's selling the games at slightly higher than MSRP in order to make a profit. We've floated this out there as a option to the European shops, but no bites. Many of them simply can't believe that our profit margin is as slim as it is-- the downside to our print-on-demand model.
 
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But when you're making PNP hard for whom the physical product is most expensive is it any wonder?
 
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BlackSpy wrote:
But when you're making PNP hard for whom the physical product is most expensive is it any wonder?


I understand where you're coming from, John. We're certainly not trying to go out of our way to make it hard for folks to PNP our games.

We don't make a whole lot of money from our boxed games, but we make enough to keep the lights on so to speak. Even if the volume of PNP sales were to increase dramatically - and I do think there's a ceiling on that, especially for a components-heavy game like Horse and Musket - we make significantly less on every PNP sale. For a game's PNP sales to cover the cost of doing a special A4 version for the PNP only, we'd need to sell more PNP downloads than we do physical copies. We don't come anywhere near close to that-- most games the number of PNP copies sold is less than 10% of the physical copies-- and I'm not sure if offering A4 versions would really change it all that much. From a perspective of "we have to eat" and "we have to pay people for the work they do for us", it just doesn't make economic sense.
 
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Its a shame as Europe is a large market and I wonder how many sales you are missing out on. But as you say you have to pay the bills and I understand that. Its just a shame Europe is missing out on what look like some really interesting games.

 
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forzamark wrote:
Its a shame as Europe is a large market and I wonder how many sales you are missing out on. But as you say you have to pay the bills and I understand that. Its just a shame Europe is missing out on what look like some really interesting games.



Yes, we're between a rock and a hard place there.

We do certainly get some sales from folks on the other side of the pond (both ponds, in fact), but those folks of course are paying the shipping costs on top of the VATS and customs fees. For them, it makes sense to do it; the games are worth the extra expense. But it's not going to be that case for everybody; people have different financial situations and different priorities, and they have to do what makes sense for them and what the want.
 
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I have just purchased this title and the expansion via Wargames Vault and echo this sizing issue, that does cuase a slight headache when printing yourself - generally it is the mapboards being very tight when using A4.

That said it is not too difficult to play around with the file and resize them yorself -eg print at a smaller percentage, even 95% does wonders. However, Tom would there be any chance that the mapboards and counters for your games would all be in .png or .jpeg format , as some are just in pdf and that can be problematical when trying to resize - strangely I like to enlarge the full image and split it down myselffor a tighter fit and likewise withthe counter sets (my old eyes need all the help they can get).

All said and done , if you are outside the US this is another great title from Hollandspielle and can be put together by even a novice pnp player relatively easily. When it is done you are rewarded with an excellent game experience well worth spending money on
 
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