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Whilst I appreciate the thought and effort that has gone into the campaign, a lot of these stretch goals are perhaps... meh? Getting a glow in the dark gate will have no meaning to a number of backers I suspect. That is not to denigrate the stretch goal or the piece, I just don't find it a practical addition. Personally I think stretch goals that improve quality of life are important, and they have been few and far between. So I've a suggestion to help with this balance.

To me, the most important QOL improvement that could be made would be an additional large box. I believe this would knock off two birds with one stone. Firstly people who have a damaged core box could instead use the new "stretch goal" box as a replacement. Secondly, and more importantly, it would allow many of us a central location to store all these wonderful components and expansions. I don't like having lots of smaller little boxes and clutter on my shelves, and I think others would be similar. Having this box would consolidate all these pieces.

While it is a lot to ask for, I think there are some obvious caveats that would accompany such a proposition. Firstly there wouldn't be an insert for the stretch goal box. It would simply be an empty box that people could use. It would be impossible to design an insert that could accommodate all the possible expansion permutations. This reduces issues with time and cost. The second foreseeable issue would be the size and shipping of such a box. By keeping the box empty, expansions and add-ons could be shipped within the box. This prevents costs from ballooning on shipping.

Personally I would happily forgo all stretch goals between here and a million to make the milestone a big, difference making unlock. However, I know that not everyone will agree, so feel free to chime in.

Love the game, thanks again for all the hard work!
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Well, if we are going to make stretch goals that improve the quality of life, than I would like an immortality serum or certain essential salts instead of a box.


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I believe the box issue has been addressed somewhere; basically, shipping for a box is super high, even with the light weight, because of the volume. So I wouldn't count on it.
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*Deleted original statement.

So many of you were saying 10-20 pounds that I read the FAQ on the Kickstarter. The "weight" is what it costs to ship, not what the game actually weighs.
 
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Why not design whatever box the stetch goals are going to come in to be such a replacement box?
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Why not design whatever box the stetch goals are going to come in to be such a replacement box?
Because the idea is that the replacement box is at least as large as the base game. I doubt we'll hit stretch goals of that volume (keeping in mind that not all stretch goals will actually go into the stretch goal box, e.g. Haunter)
Of course it would be better to make an already needed box larger rather than add a second large box, but it doesn't actually solve any of the problems.
 
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Ze_German_Guy wrote:
buruburub wrote:
Why not design whatever box the stetch goals are going to come in to be such a replacement box?
Because the idea is that the replacement box is at least as large as the base game. I doubt we'll hit stretch goals of that volume (keeping in mind that not all stretch goals will actually go into the stretch goal box, e.g. Haunter)
Of course it would be better to make an already needed box larger rather than add a second large box, but it doesn't actually solve any of the problems.

Yeah, fair enough. To be completely honest I am fine with my O2 stuff sitting in the box they came in
 
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You can get storage boxes from your local supermarket (for free). The game/expansions will also come in a delivery box. There's zero percent chance of PG offering this. Not only does it cost a lot to ship, but PG like focusing on game-related content (and thank goodness for that).

The cultists/investigators are fully-fledged mini-expansions. They're pretty awesome. The additional content unlocks for expansions, while not useful for everybody, are a necessity due to CW's production cost.

It is highly likely the final stretch goal will be additional faction rules. Probably Azathoth, given the new sculpt. The glow gate hints towards this too - a gray colored faction couldn't have a gray gate to match because they're colored that way by default.
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You say, that the gitd gate is something not every backer needs, but ask for an empty box instead...

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A box sounds great!
 
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I would prefer a box over more than half the SGs that are unlocked at the moment, but I do realize the restrictions and difficulties involved with shipping such a box.
 
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there have been a few suggestions in the forums about storage solutions for CW, which is certainly a challenge. Any of those would be more feasible than a stretch goal I suspect.
 
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I believe the box issue has been addressed somewhere; basically, shipping for a box is super high, even with the light weight, because of the volume. So I wouldn't count on it.


The flip side of this is that they could sell it as a $50 add-on to cover their asses with shipping and people would still pledge for it. Help justify the cost by including a small expansion inside the box if you're worried about people balking at the price point. Between that and the cost of shipping for the rest of their pledge, which they would smartly package inside the large box so as to save space and not necessitate a yet larger package or a second package, they would be more than covered in terms of shipping, and most people wouldn't bat an eye.

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3. Carrying around TWO enourmous 10lbs+ boxes doesn't sound like much fun.


If its a large enough box it could be a single enormous 10lb box that contains your entire game.

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4. There are other, better storage options out there. i.e. Game Plus Products pluck foam and case


This is not a better storage solution. For one thing, this takes up more space than a large box would, probably on par with keeping all the separate packaging that the game and expansions come in. Another issue is that its fairly expensive and gross overkill to the vast majority of backers who don't paint their minis. Finally, if you were trying to take your entire collection to a friends house you would **STILL** need to carry multiple 10+ pound bags/boxes, so this doesn't in any way resolve #3.

In any case, a smartly produced carboard storage box with nice "Cthulhu Wars" packaging is way cheaper to produce and ship than the handcrafted wood crate that Sandy and Arthur were suggesting people to buy during OS2.
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The boxes for the expansions are fine, but the new core box is an improvement I am adamant about getting to replace my old 1st Kickstarter box. Don't get me wrong, I love the big clunky insert that came with it, but the newer designed one is so much nicer for a space conservation factor. I don't carry the core factions in the box itself honestly, simply because they don't fit.

I'd be content just getting to pay for the new core box and insert on their own as an add on than a stretch goal. A new box wouldn't be good since you don't want to have every single expansion added in at once. That's too much. Carrying a few boxes is better than one huge one that only 30% of the contents might hit the table in a night.

Also, the stretch goals are just perfect for me. What do you guys want to see in there? Stuff we've already done?
 
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First, you're looking at a lot more than 10lbs, no matter how you look at it.


Yes, I'm aware. I was using the number you stated for brevity.

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If you want an enormous box that holds everything, you might as well just get a Sterilite box


If I wanted an ugly plastic bin to throw it all in, I would get an ugly plastic bin to throw it all in. Thats not the point.

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Another thing to remember is carboard is WEAK.


Its actually not. I've stood on top of game boxes before without any damage to the box itself. In a couple cases I have board game boxes which I've stuffed full of expansion content that weight 30-50 lbs and have no issues whatsoever (other than not being able to close the lid fully, anyway).

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And actually, it takes up less space than the large core box. It is $60 on sale, for both the bag and the foam required to hold the base game and a single faction expansion (less space still). And they are MUCH easier to carry around.


I own 6 of these bags (for other hobbies). By my estimation I would need at least 3 to fully fit the entire game, including all expansions. Thats quite a bit of space.

I'm actually surprised you managed to squeeze the core game in a single one. IIRC during OS2 Sandy said that they needed 2 Battlefoam 1520XLs (which I also own 2 of - they take up *a lot* of space) to fit the entire core game and all the expansion content inside of foam trays. The 1520 is significantly larger than the bag you posted.
 
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