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You know what else young men did in the 1940s? Rape, plunder, raze entire cities, orchestrate a genocide, and die in the millions. You know, the good old days. Leave it to the ones who never set foot on a battlefield to grow old and think the younger generations could benefit from another war.
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I would have never thought that I could post this on RSP and actually be on topic.

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Number of wars Joe Scarborough volunteered to fight?

Zero

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But they play videogames about ww2, so it's okay.
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But they play videogames about ww2, so it's okay.


They're literally fighting Nazis and the Japanese empire in the only way physically possible. What more do you want, Joe???
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In 1941, when Nazi Germany was putting out stormtrooper propaganda, a Brit took the film, re-paced it, and put it to a then-popular song the Nazis disliked. Adolf was not amused.



Here's an NK update.



I know what update I'd like to see. whistle
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And here im the dumbass who believed that people went to fight wars so that others would not have to do the same...
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lets give him the honour of being the first boots on the ground in a combat zone then
 
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It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.


Well, most of the young people from the USA who fought in World War Two were drafted (the lines of volunteers pretty much dried up after the first six months of the war), so don't give the early generations too much credit. Note I say this as someone whose dad did enlist and serve in World War Two and I myself enlisted in 1980. Bottom line - most sane people don't look for trouble, and Joe Scarborough is an idiot.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.


Well, most of the young people from the USA who fought in World War Two were drafted (the lines of volunteers pretty much dried up after the first six months of the war), so don't give the early generations too much credit. Note I say this as someone whose dad did enlist and serve in World War Two and I myself enlisted in 1980. Bottom line - most sane people don't look for trouble, and Joe Scarborough is an idiot.


Neither here nor there...early comments were assuming JS wants to Start a world war, which I think is not a fair reading of his comments especially in the context of the article he is responding to/linking to.
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.

As I tried to point out, the young people in the past doing monumental acts of good kind of required monumental acts of evil to happen beforehand. There are plenty of young people fighting in wars today, but unfortunately the typical war doesn't have one side that is morally good. That was a pretty unique situation in World War Two. We're all be better off when parts of the world aren't occupied by genocidal fascists. Millions of lives were lost before young Americans could have those shining moments in history.

I guess the YPG and YPJ in Syria have a moral argument in that they fight for freedom, self-determination, and the establishment of a democratic society against an unscrupulous authoritarian leader (or leaders if you also count Turkey). But the means of young Americans doing good in that conflict are rather limited.
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crescent_gamer wrote:
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It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.

As I tried to point out, the young people in the past doing monumental acts of good kind of required monumental acts of evil to happen beforehand. There are plenty of young people fighting in wars today, but unfortunately the typical war doesn't have one side that is morally good. That was a pretty unique situation in World War Two. We're all be better off when parts of the world aren't occupied by genocidal fascists. Millions of lives were lost before young Americans could have those shining moments in history.

I guess the YPG and YPJ in Syria have a moral argument in that they fight for freedom, self-determination, and the establishment of a democratic society against an unscrupulous authoritarian leader (or leaders if you also count Turkey). But the means of young Americans doing good in that conflict are rather limited.


It is possible to do good without war. I think that is more accurately his message.
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There's always some dumb old arsehole that thinks that the solution to kids these days is sticking them in the military (unwillingly heard some dipshit caller to a radio talk-back shock-jock just last week saying exactly that). What's that? He's not (that) old? Well, two out of three ain't bad...
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Young people here serve in the military or do national service (except for those exempted). Yet people here still complain about them just the same.
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to do good without war. I think that is more accurately his message.

Given that he is talking about war, this is not the message at all.
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.


Well, most of the young people from the USA who fought in World War Two were drafted (the lines of volunteers pretty much dried up after the first six months of the war), so don't give the early generations too much credit. Note I say this as someone whose dad did enlist and serve in World War Two and I myself enlisted in 1980. Bottom line - most sane people don't look for trouble, and Joe Scarborough is an idiot.


Neither here nor there...early comments were assuming JS wants to Start a world war, which I think is not a fair reading of his comments especially in the context of the article he is responding to/linking to.


What are you on about?! His tweet directly references young men fighting Nazis and the Japanese Empire in World War Two! What, other than War, do you think he was referencing?! To say your interpretation of Scarborough's tweet is generous would be, well, VERY generous!
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desertfox2004 wrote:
GuidoVanHorn wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
GuidoVanHorn wrote:
It is possible to read that tweet and come to the conclusion that he isn't advocating global war, but merely lamenting that young people in the past have done monumental acts of good in the world and today's generation of young people are too preoccupied with playing video games and other non-productive pursuits.


Well, most of the young people from the USA who fought in World War Two were drafted (the lines of volunteers pretty much dried up after the first six months of the war), so don't give the early generations too much credit. Note I say this as someone whose dad did enlist and serve in World War Two and I myself enlisted in 1980. Bottom line - most sane people don't look for trouble, and Joe Scarborough is an idiot.


Neither here nor there...early comments were assuming JS wants to Start a world war, which I think is not a fair reading of his comments especially in the context of the article he is responding to/linking to.


What are you on about?! His tweet directly references young men fighting Nazis and the Japanese Empire in World War Two! What, other than War, do you think he was referencing?! To say your interpretation of Scarborough's tweet is generous would be, well, VERY generous!


He links to an article about young kids, smart phone culture and pornography use. Nothing about war, he never says they should go to war, but he draws a comparison that back from in the day our youth went out and liberated countries and now they play video games. Assuming he wants us to Start a world war from that teeet is the least generous reading possible.
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I for one do not want to go back socially to the 1940's. Even after from the Shoa, the racism, sexism, etc., would be a bit much.
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I for one do not want to go back socially to the 1940's. Even after from the Shoa, the racism, sexism, etc., would be a bit much.


That seems like a severe extrapolation.
 
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I read it as lamenting that today's youth are frittering away their time, not hoping that there will be a world war.

I agree that most of the Greatest Generation were more compelled to become great rather than volunteering, but either way they accomplished great things.

There are certainly other things that they could be working on (as there always have been), but they aren't

He might be advocating that we pick a "great project" to work on. The problem is that most projects of that magnitude require a great deal of unskilled labor, but rather money and technical expertise. The Apollo program was an example of one.

I suppose that by playing video games instead of travelling, today's kids are reducing their GHG emissions, maybe that should count?

(I am either a late Baby Boomer or early whatever the next one is (GenX?) and, for the record don't feel that I've been a part of a great project.)
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You know what else young men did in the 1940s? Rape, plunder, raze entire cities, orchestrate a genocide, and die in the millions. You know, the good old days. Leave it to the ones who never set foot on a battlefield to grow old and think the younger generations could benefit from another war.

Oh brother! You yourself come off sounding like Dana Carvey's Grumpy Old Man from "Saturday Night Live".






*Actually*, Joe Scarborough seems to be a bit behind the times, because the military has actually sought out recruits with good video-game skills because they're more adept at learning how to pilot unmanned drones and in the future, will be tapped to drive other unmanned vehicles, like tanks and probots, for example.


> Excerpts from the July 27, 2017 news story by Kelby Wingert entitled:

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Tournament
Fort Hood Soldiers Fail To Move Forward In Video Game Contest



Pfc. Brent Rosenthal, 68th CBRNE Co., 48th Chem. Bde., fights on a virtual battlefield during a “Counter Strike: GO” tournament against Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, on Saturday.

A group of Fort Hood service members put their collective video game skills to the test in a “Branch Battle,” sponsored by Dell and Alienware, Saturday. The Branch Battle was a “Counter Strike: GO” tournament against nine other military installations across the country.

The first and second rounds of the tournament were earlier this month, where dozens of teams of Fort Hood service members faced off against each other to be crowned the post champions.

The team “American Hammer” won the opportunity to move on. Team members included Pfc. Brent Rosenthal, Pfc. Tyler Eckbland, Spc. Brandon Walters, Capt. Daniel Moure, and Air Force Airman First Class Israel Tristan.

All five men are from different units and didn’t know each other before the first round of the tournament. They all saw a post advertising the tournament on Facebook and linked up in the comments to form a team.

“It was a pretty good competition,” Rosenthal said of the first rounds. “We played two good games and we won for Fort Hood. I thought it was a good experience.”

This was the first time Alienware and Dell have hosted a video game tournament on military installations. There was no entry fee and a $15,000 prize pool. Each installation’s winning team received $1,000 and the grand champion will receive $5,000. Each member of the Fort Hood team received $200 in gift cards for winning the post tournament.



Capt. Daniel Moure, 15th MI Bde., was on the “American Hammer” team for the semi-final round of the tournament on Saturday at BOSS Headquarters.

“It felt good,” Moure said. “It was our first tournament for all of us. It was nice to actually win that. We were hoping to win the whole thing, obviously, but it felt good to be the top guys from Fort Hood.”

On Saturday, after a few hours of warming up and test runs on the gaming computers, “American Hammer” was narrowly defeated by the team at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. Fort Hood was knocked out of the tournament.

The teams were supplied with specialized gaming PCs through Fort Hood Dell representatives.

“We hope they had a great time,” said Elsie Farias, a Dell representative. “This team got $1,000. The tournament builds a lot of unity among the guys of Fort Hood and kind of help them relax and do something fun.”

Farias said Dell and Alienware are hoping to host another similar tournament in the next few months, possibly with newer games as they come out.



Spc. Brandon Walters, 1st Air Cav. Bde., was on the “American Hammer” team representing Fort Hood in the Alienware Branch Battle “Counter Strike: GO” tournament on Saturday.


 
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
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I for one do not want to go back socially to the 1940's. Even after from the Shoa, the racism, sexism, etc., would be a bit much.


That seems like a severe extrapolation.


It's not extrapolation. It's a statement of the facts of how those attitudes were in the 1940s compared to the 2010s.

It's a fact.
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