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Mitchell Land
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I'm curious how many of you, playing a live opponent have posted wins for either side. Comment here with which side you've won with and which Prop card (if you remember).

For me, I have

1 win as the French on the 3rd card. (This was our first game, and my FLN opponent wasn't paying any attention to the Support.)


 
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Mark Evans
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Have you considered a poll?
 
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Kevin Walsh
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I won the short scenario as FLN on the third card with a score of 28, higher than my French opponent. He did suffer from Peace Talks for about half of the game.
 
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Daniel Spaniel
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Long Scenario:

1 Government win on 3rd Propaganda card
1 FLN win on final Propaganda

Medium Scenario

3 FLN wins on 3rd propaganda
1 FLN win on final propaganda

Short Scenario

1 FLN win on final propaganda


Unfortunately, I didn’t record scores for any after the first game, but the FLN is cleaning house.
 
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Cezary Domalski
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5 Long Scenario games, 5 Government wins. Three auto-victories in 2nd or 3rd Propaganda, two by final Propaganda victory margin but with no chance to FLN.
 
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Fred J
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Interresting poll. I just had two FLN victories in the short and full scenarios!
 
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Will Fleeson
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I can't remember all of our games (we've played several scenarios and a few full games). The last two full games have gone to the final propaganda round. Win for FLN. Win for Govt. on a 0-point differential.
 
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Thierry Aradan
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4 games, 1 short and 3 long, and 4 FLN victories so far.
Three marginal victories and one sudden death after the second propaganda.

Because of LONG pesky "Peace Talks" which lasted about 16 to 17 cards after an early first Propaganda, the Government was unable to assault during 3/4 of the game and prevent the FLN from establishing bases all over Algeria. With only the Neutralize threat, the FLN easily crossed the finish line with 36 VPs...
Lesson learned: as the Government, cancel that event at all costs :-)

As all games have been played against the same opponent, it could be a matter of "group thinking" but we find the Government faction more difficult to play.

We started with the full scenario and discovered the short one only after our third game.
We were surprised to see 5 Guerrillas in the out of play box. Given that only very few eliminated Guerrillas reach this box (1 out of 6 to 1 out 9), this means about 40 eliminated Guerrillas in 2 rounds. Unless the FLN is really reckless how can we do that?
 
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Thierry Aradan wrote:

Because of LONG pesky "Peace Talks" which lasted about 16 to 17 cards after an early first Propaganda, the Government was unable to assault during 3/4 of the game and prevent the FLN from establish bases all over Algeria. With only the Neutralize threat, the FLN easily crosses the finish line with 36 VPs...
Lesson learned: as the Government, cancel that event at all costs :-)

It's a very good reason to hang onto your Coup card.

 
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Amaranth wrote:
Thierry Aradan wrote:

Because of LONG pesky "Peace Talks" which lasted about 16 to 17 cards after an early first Propaganda, the Government was unable to assault during 3/4 of the game and prevent the FLN from establish bases all over Algeria. With only the Neutralize threat, the FLN easily crosses the finish line with 36 VPs...
Lesson learned: as the Government, cancel that event at all costs :-)

It's a very good reason to hang onto your Coup card.



Running Total:

French: 8
FLN: 14

Long scenario
French: 7
FLN: 6

Medium Scenario
French: 0
FLN: 4

Short Scenario
French: 0
FLN: 4

Unknown:
French: 1
FLN: 0

Very small sample size, but it looks like the long scenario is fairly balanced and the short scenarios are skewing toward FLN. But it's tough to get a real good feel at this point given that each person reporting multiple games is reporting results skewed heavily to one side, which might indicate the results are more to do with group think (can a 2-player game suffer from group think???) than the actual game itself being balanced/unbalanced.

It would be interesting see someone that consistently sees the French win play someone who consistently sees the FLN win.
 
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Thierry Aradan
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Fifth game today, and another FLN victory with 30 Vps at the end of the third campaign.
We nevertheless decided to continue the game to see a Government victory after the fifth Propaganda (net +1 VP).

The learning curve seems steeper for the Government, which must stick to its own plan and find the time to bring its forces onto the map to resettle sectors, protect cities, keep a close eye on commitment, while avoiding sudden death during an unavoidable FLN high tide during the second and/or third campaigns.
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First impression based on three plays with the short scenario : much more difficult to play the french (actions more complex, more pieces to move to the right places to be able to do what you want, and ressources so rapidly limited !). French victory seems very hard to achieve, but their learning curve is so steep it should take more time to play it well and be competitive against the Fln.

It seems the french is forced to play a war of attrition on ressources (at this point, again, may be wrong but last time I tried a hard military strategy during the first campaign which led to begin the second campaign with so few ressources it was soon obvious there would be no chance to catch up with the Fln, who starts to do so much more at that time).
Probably not using well all the french actions (not so much ressetled, very hard to use the assault which is so much better than neutralize with its oppose associated, and Pacify !! Just directing it to the neutral sectors for the moment as it would be way too coastly otherwise or perhaps in the late game to reduce oppose and negate victory points.

Great game but this difference of investment between the two factions is a bit hard as it is really demanding for the french player whereas the Fln is much much more relaxed in his gameplay. Anyway, this is thematic and I'll continue to try to tame this beast.
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Rob Winslow
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1 long scenrio FLN win (32 Bases + Opposition at 4th Propoganda).
 
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Alex Zwinak
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2 wins for Govt. in long scenario
2 wins for FLN in short scenario

If you're FLN, lowering the Commitment enough in the long scenario seems tricky. Plus our play styles aren't really optimized yet; the first Govt. win was a learning game.
 
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Spamalama wrote:
Plus our play styles aren't really optimized yet


I think this is close to it. I've played 3 games, and even discounting the learning game, we've had a solid Govt win rate in the short scenario. Now, they are barely scraping by (2 pts and 3 points IIRC), but they are winning. No auto-wins though.
 
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