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One game, I got lazy and just used the color instead, such as...

I'll build that hut with 1 brown, 2 red, and 1 gray
"You mean 1 wood, 2 brick, and 1 stone?"
Same difference
"...."

It's like talking to the Starbucks cashier saying you want a small, mocha blended iced coffee, but they insist that you call it a "tall mocha frappacino". I'm not proud to say that some of them getting annoyed at that ended up being a nice bonus, as some of the SA fans I've run into go to lengths how SA is a superior game to Lords Of Waterdeep, and/or more thematic because of the shapely resources vs. cubes.


Another gamer I talked to noticed the same thing with one of his games. He wasn't trying to piss them off. He felt 'by color' was sufficient. 2 other games with different groups, they were indifferent about that.
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I don't get upset. Totally understand why this happens. I do prefer to use the thematic names when available. But depending on how pasted on the theme is this might fall quickly by the wayside, however.

But in a similar vein I will admit I don't like it when a player refers to money/coins in an ancient, fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise non-modern themed game as "dollars" or "bucks."
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Yes, furious. Apoplectic even.

Just don't do it.
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Depends on the game, really.

In Stone Age, at least the wood looks like timber, bricks look like bricks (though I think they're technically "clay"), stone looks like stones, and gold looks like gold bars. No real reason to use the color.

In Waterdeep, a wizard looks like a purple cube. A priest looks like a white cube. No real reason to call them what they actually are, as nothing about them really makes you think of the actual thing they represent.

In 1775, I just usually say blue/white and red/yellow, though I do tend to note the French, Hessians, and Native Americans by their actual faction name.

However, if one more person calls bricks "rock" in Catan, I'm going to lose it. They're literally called bricks in the rules and they are a picture of a brick on the card. Can't count the number of trades that fell apart: "Oh, no, I wasn't offering you ore, I was offering you rock!" Well, then, offer the right name for the thing, at least, so I don't have to waste five minutes on intentionally misleading (and erroneous!) semantics. angry

I'd say use colors when pushing cubes, and names when pushing more well-defined shapes (or cards with pictures, unless the color scheme is SUPER clear).

Seems simple and direct enough.
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It's a euro, resource management game. Almost by definition theme is secondary. Call something bricks, rubies, blood, or just simply "red." It's all the same.
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I think it depends on the group. One of the guys I play with is color blind and tends to get annoyed when players use the color instead of what the item actually is.
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It always makes me blue.
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Just for my own personal enjoyment, the next time I play a resource-euro, not only will I refer to the resources by colour, but I'll also add -ie to them, just to create that childish feel that will make heads explode.

"So yeah, that'll be a brownie, a goldie, and two redies. And anyone have change for a pinkie?" devil
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apkendrick wrote:
I don't get upset. Totally understand why this happens. I do prefer to use the thematic names when available. But depending on how pasted on the theme is this might fall quickly by the wayside, however.

But in a similar vein I will admit I don't like it when a player refers to money/coins in an ancient, fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise non-modern themed game as "dollars" or "bucks."


I usually call money in a sci-fi setting "space-bucks", or in other genres something quasi-related... ie: in Istanbul I call them Istanbucks. You'd probably hate me.
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FCSchmidt wrote:
apkendrick wrote:
I don't get upset. Totally understand why this happens. I do prefer to use the thematic names when available. But depending on how pasted on the theme is this might fall quickly by the wayside, however.

But in a similar vein I will admit I don't like it when a player refers to money/coins in an ancient, fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise non-modern themed game as "dollars" or "bucks."


I usually call money in a sci-fi setting "space-bucks", or in other genres something quasi-related... ie: in Istanbul I call them Istanbucks. You'd probably hate me.




I'm cool with "space bucks." laugh

Just not "dollars." I know, it's weird.
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If all resources are cubes, I tend to call them by colour (e.g. Istanbul, Century: Spice Road) because it's not easy to necessarily remember the names of the resource.

At least in Stone Age, they have different shapes, so if not calling them by their resource name, you could use the shape: "stick, rectangle, octagon, trapezoid"

Or, just upgrade using a Stonemaier Treasure Chest and then you really do have resources that look like wood, bricks, stone and gold...
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I play SA, i could care less what people call the resources so long as the play flow isnt slowed by quibbling.
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Got to admit, referring to colors instead of their actual names would bug me a lot. Almost as much as the "same difference" construct which literally doesn't mean anything and everyone seems to understand what it doesn't mean but it gets said ANYWAY and. . . OK, deep breaths, deep breaths. . . .
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I've only had this happen in Goa. I am not a spice guy so I don't know the names of the spices and have to refer to them by color. I don't think the other players were upset, but they would tease me with a "you mean spice1 and spice2?" Me - "are those the red and green ones? Then yeah, sure, whatever."

Full discloser, I've been THAT guy in caylus. Far too many people call money 'gold' which really bugs me since gold is one of the resources. I had a whole spiel "I don't care if you call them bucks, dollars, woolongs, coins, or rupees. Just please don't call them gold. Those are the yellow cubes over there."

One player after hearing that spiel for the 2nd or 3rd time said something like "he's pretty anal about that... but he has a point."
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I've only had this happen in Goa. I am not a spice guy so I don't know the names of the spices and have to refer to them by color. I don't think the other players were upset, but they would tease me with a "you mean spice1 and spice2?" Me - "are those the red and green ones? Then yeah, sure, whatever."

Full discloser, I've been THAT guy in caylus. Far too many people call money 'gold' which really bugs me since gold is one of the resources. I had a whole spiel "I don't care if you call them bucks, dollars, woolongs, coins, or rupees. Just please don't call them gold. Those are the yellow cubes over there."

One player after hearing that spiel for the 2nd or 3rd time said something like "he's pretty anal about that... but he has a point."


So then, anal-bucks?
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So then, anal-bucks?


Those would bring a whole new meaning to the term, "filthy lucre."
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kusinohki wrote:
Full discloser, I've been THAT guy in caylus. Far too many people call money 'gold' which really bugs me since gold is one of the resources. I had a whole spiel "I don't care if you call them bucks, dollars, woolongs, coins, or rupees. Just please don't call them gold. Those are the yellow cubes over there."

One player after hearing that spiel for the 2nd or 3rd time said something like "he's pretty anal about that... but he has a point."

That's what one person kept calling ore in 7 Wonders... gold, when that's it's own thing (via tokens).
 
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apkendrick wrote:
FCSchmidt wrote:
apkendrick wrote:
I don't get upset. Totally understand why this happens. I do prefer to use the thematic names when available. But depending on how pasted on the theme is this might fall quickly by the wayside, however.

But in a similar vein I will admit I don't like it when a player refers to money/coins in an ancient, fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise non-modern themed game as "dollars" or "bucks."


I usually call money in a sci-fi setting "space-bucks", or in other genres something quasi-related... ie: in Istanbul I call them Istanbucks. You'd probably hate me.




I'm cool with "space bucks." laugh

Just not "dollars." I know, it's weird.


One of the guys that comes to our Board Game Café refers to every currency, in every game, as 'pennies'. "I select the Prospector, and get 2 pennies"
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kunnagh wrote:
apkendrick wrote:
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apkendrick wrote:
I don't get upset. Totally understand why this happens. I do prefer to use the thematic names when available. But depending on how pasted on the theme is this might fall quickly by the wayside, however.

But in a similar vein I will admit I don't like it when a player refers to money/coins in an ancient, fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise non-modern themed game as "dollars" or "bucks."


I usually call money in a sci-fi setting "space-bucks", or in other genres something quasi-related... ie: in Istanbul I call them Istanbucks. You'd probably hate me.




I'm cool with "space bucks." laugh

Just not "dollars." I know, it's weird.


One of the guys that comes to our Board Game Café refers to every currency, in every game, as 'pennies'. "I select the Prospector, and get 2 pennies"


For currency I try to say "coins" regardless of the actual name like denar, thallers and whatnot but if it's paper money then I say "bucks"
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kusinohki wrote:
One player after hearing that spiel for the 2nd or 3rd time said something like "he's pretty anal about that... but he has a point."

This'll sound silly, but that's the first time it's occurred to me that our English word spiel is the same as the German spiel. Funnier is that I'm so used to it meaning a game now that I had to do a double-take on what you were saying.
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Liallan wrote:
kusinohki wrote:
One player after hearing that spiel for the 2nd or 3rd time said something like "he's pretty anal about that... but he has a point."

This'll sound silly, but that's the first time it's occurred to me that our English word spiel is the same as the German spiel. Funnier is that I'm so used to it meaning a game now that I had to do a double-take on what you were saying.

I make no guarantee that I'm using the correct spelling and/or word...


I could practically make that my forum signature tag sadly.
 
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From my limited knowledge... spiel can mean "game" or "play" in German, both in the "playing a game" sense and "acting a play". So, the English-via-Yiddish-or-German "spiel" is more of the "telling a story" (as in a play) form of the word, rather than "playing a game".
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kusinohki wrote:
Full discloser, I've been THAT guy in caylus. Far too many people call money 'gold' which really bugs me since gold is one of the resources. I had a whole spiel "I don't care if you call them bucks, dollars, woolongs, coins, or rupees. Just please don't call them gold. Those are the yellow cubes over there."
Yeah, I know a Voyages of Marco Player who refers to the money as gold, which can get confusing.
 
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For games that use coins for money I always use the word "coin" or "coins", it can get very confusing even if the games calls coins gold.
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