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Rick Teverbaugh
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My collection is mostly filled with deck builders, lighter worker placements and other games that generally play is an hour or less. I want one meaty game in my collection especially since I retire in less than 3 weeks and will having gaming time to spend. I would like it not to eat too many brain cells, but have meaningful choices. It needs to be at least decent with 2 but playable with more. It would be a plus if the choices up for grabs would change from game to game so that a single strategy couldn't be used each time. I am not a stickler on theme though my spouse and I aren't fond of war themes or political ones. I tried to be as specific as I could to give the replies some idea of what I would consider. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Krawhitham B
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My suggestion would be Keyflower.

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K S
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If you're looking for a deep but not-too-heavy worker placement game, I wholeheartedly recommend Agricola.
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For 2 players plus and deeper game play, how about:
Covert - cold war cloak and dagger theme, dice placement, etc.
Steampunk Rally - build a crazy contraption and race it as you build it. 3 different types of dice for heat, electicity, and steam.


Dominant Species is also very good, but needs more than 2 players to shine.

Archipelago is good, but you might be put off by the colonisation theme.
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James Williams
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How about:
- High Frontier (3rd edition)
- Lisboa
 
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Shane Larsen
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My favorite medium-heavy games with 2 players (that also work with more):

Grand Austria Hotel
Troyes
Agricola
Great Western Trail
Trajan

...and for something heavier:

Through the Ages: A New Story of Civilization
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John Herrera
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I would like to add Lorenzo il Magnifico
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Ian the Inexorable
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My wife and I like Scythe with two.
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Ludwig Seitz
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I don't know how well it plays with 2, but Terra Mystica is a nice medium heavy game.
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Deep Sea Adventure.

Did I misunderstand?
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Ludwig Seitz wrote:
I don't know how well it plays with 2, but Terra Mystica is a nice medium heavy game.


Terra Mystica with 2 isnt that competitive. Still playable,
but not as fun as playing with 3+
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Ludwig Seitz wrote:
I don't know how well it plays with 2, but Terra Mystica is a nice medium heavy game.


Doesn't really play well with 2. It's best with 4, and good with 3 or 5.

On the other hand there's the upcoming Clans of Caledonia which is pretty similar and will work better with 2 also. And Gaia Project, which is Terra Mystica with a space theme and enough changes to make it a new game, and the modular board also makes it better with 2 than Terra Mystica.

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Rick, what's the upper limit for the number of players? There are quite a few suggestions here that I wouldn't play with more than 3 (Agricola, Grand Austria Hotel, Through the Ages, and maybe even Great Western Trail, though it's ok-ish with 4).

A game which works really well with 2 to 4 players is La Granja. The multiple use cards make the game extremely replayable. I don't know if there will be any big expansions, but even without I think you'll get a lot out of it.
 
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Would Terraforming Mars be meaty enough for you? It plays very well with two players, isn't too heavy, and there's a lot of variability between games.
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Maybe Race for the Galaxy - 2-4p engine/tableau building card game. You can play with more players with expansions.

+ good at 2-4 players
+ different start worlds and different cards drawn mean each game is differnt
+ highly re-playable if you like the game (I've played 350 - 400 times so far, that includes expansions)
+ 5 expansions give more variation
+ meaningful choices

- takes a few games to learn what to do and then a few more to win
- doesn't work so well playing with people who only play it occasionally (they are likely to be have forgotten something about how to play and are unlikely to be competitive*). This may or may not be an issue for you.

+/- sci-fi theme with some military themed cards (card images)
+/- quick games once you know how to play (~30 mins, learning games will take longer)

* The second of these problems will apply to any deep game, but first is less of a problem with games with simple rules.
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jlwill wrote:


That's pretty cruel. If the OP gets tempted, he'll then find out about "availability"...
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jhaelen wrote:
Would Terraforming Mars be meaty enough for you? It plays very well with two players, isn't too heavy, and there's a lot of variability between games.


Yep, this one checks OPs boxes.

Orléans is another good choice for not too heavy but strategically varied play that revolves around bag building, but maybe needs an expansion to really increase variability.
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wamsp wrote:
If you're looking for a deep but not-too-heavy worker placement game, I wholeheartedly recommend Agricola.


Strongly +1
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dklx3 wrote:
wamsp wrote:
If you're looking for a deep but not-too-heavy worker placement game, I wholeheartedly recommend Agricola.


Strongly +1


-1 to Agricola, +1 to Le Havre.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions. I am in the process of investigating most of them. I think the ones I have ruled out now are Agricola and Caverna as I don't much care for a farming aspect. I am surprised that nobody (unless I missed it) has suggested Alien Frontiers.
 
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Alien Frontiers is not deep.
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thedacker wrote:
Alien Frontiers is not deep.


It looks as deep as Orleans and Troyes to me.
 
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I think La Granja fits all your criteria. Its a great game, won't burn too many brain cells, interesting decisions, and varied from game to game because of the multi-use cards.
 
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Troyes is much deeper than Alien Frontiers imo.
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Dino25 wrote:
I think La Granja fits all your criteria. Its a great game, won't burn too many brain cells, interesting decisions, and varied from game to game because of the multi-use cards.


But it does have farming, which isn't a theme my gaming partner finds appealing.
 
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rickert wrote:
thedacker wrote:
Alien Frontiers is not deep.


It looks as deep as Orleans and Troyes to me.

It's not. Especially not Troyes. Troyes is on the deepest end of medium-weights--almost into heavy category. AF is a medium-light.

IMO
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